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This are the images.

What do you think ? I feel it not in the Leica essence . The edge are squared not smooth, the style too much evident . It will be noticed easily specially in street photography.

i like more the apearence m9

 

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andybarton

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These images are absolutely nothing to do with Leica. At all.

 

The M10 will not look like this, it's just some independent graphic designer who has managed to get himself an inordinate amount of publicity (and web hits) on the back of Leica's name through the use of rumor sites.

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Dr. Manfred Semlitsch

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I am combining my LEICA M- and R-lenses since some years with a LUMIX GH1. The adapters are made by NOVOFLEX in Germany. Furthermore I am using two ZOOM-lenses LUMIX 7-14mm and 14-140mm. Macro fotography with LEICA Elmarit 1:2,8/45mm.

The comining LUMIX GF2 will work in the same way, but

the camera body would be more a LEICA M6. [.quote=adan;1321377]Assuming, for the moment, the rumor is true (I can't think of technical reasons that rule out the possibility):

 

1) I doubt it will be an "M" anything - Leica will reserve the "M" designation only for classic coupled-rangefinder/viewfinder cameras. There may be an M10 at some point - this isn't it.

 

More likely it will be an extension of the "X" line - or possibly a revival of the "Digilux" name. That probably depends on the marketing dynamics and how Leica sees it fitting into the current and past lines. Do they see it more as an X with interchangeable lenses - or a succesor to the Digilux 3, which takes R lenses via adapter but was primarily based around its own micro-4/3rds lenses? I could see it being named either "Digilux 4" - or "XM"-"X3"-"XR"-"XD"-"X-Whatever".

 

2) It may well take both M and R lenses via adapters and also have its own line of lenses in a new mount.

 

3) If it is really full-frame, there may be limitations on which M lenses can be used (e.g. perhaps nothing wider than 28mm) - I'd expect one sensor would not work well with both extra-wide M lenses and long R lenses - the old issue of microlenses and acceptable angles of light and so on.

 

4) I note the rumor states AF via a moving sensor (i.e. similar to the Contax AX SLR, which moved the film plane inside the camera to allow (slowish) AF with their manual-focus lenses). Somehow I suspect the new, dedicated lenses will have their own AF, and the moving sensor will lock into place for those lenses, and only unlock for internal AF when it senses an adapter is mounted, to allow AF (if desired) with legacy MF lenses.

 

5) Leica has said in several interviews that they were experimenting with smaller and/or less expensive bodies that could take M or R lenses. So this possibility doesn't surprise me, and actually I consider it a smart and cost-effective way to create an "R solution," a less expensive M-mount alternative or backup body, and a more advanced low-end AF interchangeable-lens camera all in one piece of design - as well as make the live-view crowd happy without messing up the classic M cameras.

 

Again - all of the above is speculation. I'd rate this as very probable at some point in the future, and 50/50 for Photokina - at least as of today.

 

Between the wayward value of the Euro, and the question of VAT, the price estimate is still very rough in dollar terms. But a full-frame camera that could replace my 5D for R lenses and simultaneously be a backup to my M9 with at least some M lenses would be worthwhile at just under $4,000 (pre-tax) - IF the sensor (almost certainly CMOS) measures up to the M9's CCD in noise and color.

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

 

How can Leica begin to compete with the big guys who can whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera with far less consequence than Leica?

 

What in the world could Leica offer that none of the rest can, and will?

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Mike Rawcs

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Definitely don't want an electronic viewfinder but that's not to say some elements of what you see couldn't be implemented electronically - frame lines, focus confirmation - without spoiling the M concept.

 

That said, Leica continue to wheel out the same 50+ year-old design and it is most definitely not beyond improvement. I'd like to see them focus on the M's USP and come up with a new design which addresses the limitations of the existing finder. Variable magnification, adjustable diopter and improved eye comfort would do me fine.

 

Put me down for one of those, Mark.

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

 

How can Leica begin to compete with the big guys who can whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera with far less consequence than Leica?

 

What in the world could Leica offer that none of the rest can, and will?

 

One that also has a coupled rangefinder/optical viewfinder?

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Mike Rawcs

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

 

How can Leica begin to compete with the big guys who can whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera with far less consequence than Leica?

 

What in the world could Leica offer that none of the rest can, and will?

 

Pico, what will happen to Leica if the big guys whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera and Leica doesn't compete?

 

Mike.

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Pico, what will happen to Leica if the big guys whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera and Leica doesn't compete?

 

They'll carry on selling as many M9s as they can make..

 

Seriously, the day Leica try to compete with the big boys is the day the end of Leica begins.

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mjh

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

I thought they started making a mirrorless Leica about a year ago? And the company appears do be doing very well.

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Reasons for Leica to go full-frame EVIL, IMHO:

 

1. There is currently no full-frame EVIL-system available from the "big three" - why should they offer that? Their full-frame SLRs are selling well, their whole production and lens lin-up is focused on this technology.

 

2. Leica doesn't have a full-frame-SLR anymore, they have to start new (production, development of AF-lenses) anyway.

 

3. Leica has two independent user-bases only a full-frame EVIL (although not as a rangefinder-replacement in the beginning) can merge - those who have M-lenses and those who have R-lenses and still waiting for the promised digital solution.

 

So Leica has a unique position among the industry. When they find the right partners for sensor, processor (liveview- and AF-processing) and EVF (high resolution DLP/LCOS/OLED?) they can offer an unique solution for their existing customer-base and establish a new one.

The new Leica-CEO comes from a similiar-sized company that has done exactly that: developing and manufacturing an unique digital camera system with CMOS-sensor and EVF - not with an Asian opponent as a supplier but with unique suppliers. Certainly not the easiest nor the cheapest way.

But the camera is setting new standards right now and the giant Sony has nothing to compete.

This is only going to show that it CAN work. Leica may have not the size or capacity of Sony/Canon but they have other advantages they can use to design and manufacture a well-competing new system which isn't compromised by cost-cutting or endless customer-surveys. The ergonomic design of the S2 is a good example.

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rosuna

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

 

How can Leica begin to compete with the big guys who can whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera with far less consequence than Leica?

 

What in the world could Leica offer that none of the rest can, and will?

 

The big boys are not offering a 24x36mm EVIL camera. They have strong lines of reflex cameras. If they (Nikon, Canon) develop an EVIL camera it is likely a small format system. I cannot image what company would be interested in a new 24x36 system at this moment, EVIL or not.

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AlanG

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Making a mirrorless Leica could very well kill the company.

 

How can Leica begin to compete with the big guys who can whip out a full-frame mirrorless camera with far less consequence than Leica?

 

What in the world could Leica offer that none of the rest can, and will?

 

I disagree. The same people who pay $2000 for an X1 will pay top dollar for a Leica EVIL camera if it is really good. I would.

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luigi bertolotti

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Just to speculate.... a FF EVIL "fully Leica" should have a high price tag and I think it should find difficult to carve a market share into Leicistes... things could be different if the camera should be a Panasonic kitted with some Leica branded glass (pancake, zoom...) PLUS a Leica branded version aptly styled, offered with "original" adapters for R (and M?) lenses, and maybe with some "proprietary" piece of firmware to optimize the use of such lenses. For me, and for many others, I think, it would be welcomed as our "camera for teles"... something that is really missing in the Leica M world.

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