Sailronin Posted April 13, 2010 Share #1 Posted April 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I found this interesting anyway. One photo taken with a Nikon D700 (full frame) with 300mm zoom Nikkor lens. The other taken with M8 and 90mm Summicron (equiv. to 117mm full frame). Both enlarged and printed out A3 size (13x 19 inch print), almost impossible to tell one from the other in the hard copy. The M8 shot is cropped while the D700 is full frame (due to lens focal length difference) but the M8 is ISO 160 while the D700 is ISO 1000. I'll trust you all on this but without looking at the EXIF data, which is which? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I found this interesting anyway. One photo taken with a Nikon D700 (full frame) with 300mm zoom Nikkor lens. The other taken with M8 and 90mm Summicron (equiv. to 117mm full frame). Both enlarged and printed out A3 size (13x 19 inch print), almost impossible to tell one from the other in the hard copy. The M8 shot is cropped while the D700 is full frame (due to lens focal length difference) but the M8 is ISO 160 while the D700 is ISO 1000. I'll trust you all on this but without looking at the EXIF data, which is which? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/118135-interesting-comparison/?do=findComment&comment=1292975'>More sharing options...
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wparsonsgisnet Posted April 13, 2010 Share #2 Posted April 13, 2010 I believe the more natural colors [my interpretation, of course] show the second pic to the made with the Leica-M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesk8752 Posted April 13, 2010 Share #3 Posted April 13, 2010 Top photo is the from the Nikon w/telelens (shallower DOF)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted April 13, 2010 Share #4 Posted April 13, 2010 I believe the more natural colors [my interpretation, of course] show the second pic to the made with the Leica-M. Interesting, I thought the opposite for the same reason (first = M8, because of the more natural colours). Were both shot as jpegs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailronin Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted April 13, 2010 Both were shot RAW and processed in Aperture 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted April 13, 2010 Share #6 Posted April 13, 2010 Pretty hard to tell from a web post. What is it you're trying to show, besides the different colour rendition? Personally I'll guess (because there's so many unknown factors) that the top shot is the Nikon (magnification mainly) but that could be affected by aperture, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailronin Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted April 13, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess what surprised me was how similar the prints were considering the difference in sensor size and the fact that the M8 was cropped and held together so well even enlarged to match the size of the full frame shot. Actually the differences are more apparent on the web post than in the A3 prints. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro1and Posted April 13, 2010 Share #8 Posted April 13, 2010 My guess is the bottom is the M, less noise in the background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 13, 2010 Share #9 Posted April 13, 2010 No visible moiré, shallower DoF and more smearing effect in the top pic so i would say Nikon for that one but both look somewhat questionable i must say. Nothing personal of course but did you upsample the pics? Did you sharpen them? The plasticky look of both is forgiveable at 1000 iso but at base iso a mere D70 with a good lens could do better IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted April 14, 2010 Share #10 Posted April 14, 2010 I guess what surprised me was how similar the prints were considering the difference in sensor size and the fact that the M8 was cropped and held together so well even enlarged to match the size of the full frame shot. Actually the differences are more apparent on the web post than in the A3 prints.Dave Hey Dave--I hear you on that. I shot the M8 and D3 side by each all last year and, except for the extra stop of ISO I got with the D3 when I wanted it, the M8 totally keeps up, and when it comes to fine details, actually sometimes bests the D3 in prints (mainly due to the glass, though Nikon's teles and zooms are nothing to complain about, that's for sure!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Johnson Posted April 14, 2010 Share #11 Posted April 14, 2010 I'm guessing that the second shot is from the M8 since the fine details in the chest feathers have turned to mush in that shot compared to the first. If I'm right then I'm of the opinion that it's telling that the Nikon zoom lens/sensor looks that much better than the M8 when it comes to the micro details. I'd guess that the Nikon would look even better if it was equipped with a decent prime lens. Later, Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redridge Posted April 14, 2010 Share #12 Posted April 14, 2010 if its the nikkor 70-300 f/4-5.6.... then it is the top one. For the money ($600).... its a great lense. The colors really pop on the 2nd pic.... the M glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 14, 2010 Share #13 Posted April 14, 2010 What about f stop ? DOF is clearly shorter in the first, but the difference in ISO could mean different apertures... I'm a bit uncertain... but tend to 1st=Nikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogibear Posted April 14, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 14, 2010 Zoom vs prime lens on top of high ISO vs low ISO, how far must one go to prove nothing at all? I am a non-paranoid M8 user and don't need reassurance that it's a very fine camera with very fine lenses. Happy shooting! Johan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted April 14, 2010 Share #15 Posted April 14, 2010 Nikon first image, Leica second image - visible artifacts in the bird's tail feathers in the second shot. Could be JPEG compression artifacts, but in that position more probably the M8's lack of an AA filter. Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted April 14, 2010 Share #16 Posted April 14, 2010 I would say the subject responded better to the M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted April 14, 2010 Share #17 Posted April 14, 2010 I would say the second one is made with the M8 because of the sharper image, the better bokeh and because of the warmer colors due to the UV/IR filter. I hope I'm right or I'll have to swap my M8 with a D700... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailronin Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted April 14, 2010 Thank you all for playing! The top shot is the D700 as everyone deduced. Taken with the 70-300 VR zoom at 300mm, f 18 and 1/90 of a second ISO 1000. The lower shot is M8 with 90 mm Summicron, (no IR filter), f 5.6 and 1/80 sec at ISO 160. The post was not intended to "prove" anything, it was unusual for me to shoot the same subject at the same time with two cameras. Once printed out I was amazed at how well the M8 compared at A3 size especially as it was cropped. On paper it's very difficult tell from the duck which is which...the background gives it away with the noise at ISO 1000. The M8 continues to impress me with it's abilities, extremely happy with it. Best regards to all, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted April 14, 2010 Share #19 Posted April 14, 2010 interesting comparism. in my view it shows two things: 1)10 or 12mpx is more or less the same (no surprise) 2)iso 160 on the M8 is similar to iso 1000 on the D700. no suprise either. peter Thank you all for playing!The top shot is the D700 as everyone deduced. Taken with the 70-300 VR zoom at 300mm, f 18 and 1/90 of a second ISO 1000. The lower shot is M8 with 90 mm Summicron, (no IR filter), f 5.6 and 1/80 sec at ISO 160. The post was not intended to "prove" anything, it was unusual for me to shoot the same subject at the same time with two cameras. Once printed out I was amazed at how well the M8 compared at A3 size especially as it was cropped. On paper it's very difficult tell from the duck which is which...the background gives it away with the noise at ISO 1000. The M8 continues to impress me with it's abilities, extremely happy with it. Best regards to all, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted April 14, 2010 Share #20 Posted April 14, 2010 The lower shot is M8 with 90 mm Summicron, (no IR filter), f 5.6 and 1/80 sec at ISO 160. Phew... I can keep my M8... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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