vertekijker Posted March 28, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the chrome one on my black M9. Absolutely nothing wrong with the look. I have quite a few chrome lenses on my black camera. Yes, this one is a bit heavier, but it also has a wonderfully solid feeling, sits good in the hand and I think that over time chrome ones are always worth more. ---------------- Frans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fotofoto Posted March 28, 2010 Share #22 Posted March 28, 2010 I wonder whether our 2 lenses are or are not within Leica's margin for error? I suspect they are within Leica's margin for error - but would appreciate feedback. Dear K.H., your shots from screen are looking so similary tas my shots, thats amazing. I like the testshooting from a screen, the moirée shows so much better, where the focus area is, so its quite easy to proof. hm, margin of error? I gave a few weeks ago all my lenses and the M9 to Leica to adjust focuspoint. So my new 1.4/50mm has to be integrated in this reference setup. maybe that is the reason for the little front focus in combination with my camera. today I took some shots from 1.4/50mm asph, the summicron 50mm and the nokton 1.1/50mm to compare sharpness. because I do not really need 3x 50mm I guess, 2 lenses have to go. The Lux 50mm is at least as sharp as the cron @ f2 and has def. more contrast. wondeful lens. The Nokton is not bad at all, f1.1 is accompanied with a lovely bokeh, but of cause sharpness is not the same when you have 100% crop. So I am not sure, which lenses I should sell. Of cause I keep the Lux and maybe the Nokton. Any help welcome ;-) have a nice sunday mich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobeyone Posted March 28, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 28, 2010 I must be mad - There is nothing wrong with a silver lens on a black body imo. Superb, this is the combo I will be going for as I have already bought two chrome finished lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 28, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 28, 2010 Sorry Gentleman Bill . . . was it my manipulation of the Leica or the English language which caused you grief?!!! Perhaps I should have said `. . . especially after treating my M9 to a stealth procedure' or something along these lines instead? Hello M9n, and welcome. No, it was the thought that verbating a tiny camera is going to make a blind bit of difference to anyone noticing you taking their picture. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmolinski Posted March 28, 2010 Share #25 Posted March 28, 2010 Seems your M9 has two hot-shoes, very cool ;-) I really like your personalised engraving Jaap! I'm also a fan of chrome lenses on black bodies. Although this is a 35mm summilux asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted March 28, 2010 Share #26 Posted March 28, 2010 Tony Rose of Popflash was selling a black one on Ebay the other day. I was just checking prices and availability, because I was considering selling the one I owned since 2005. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted March 28, 2010 Share #27 Posted March 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wait for a black one, especially if you have a 75mm Summicron. The field of view of the two are so similar that having both is a little duplicative. I'm not saying don't get both; but it is a reason that you don't have to rush out and get the other. I've never liked the extra weight of the chrome lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted March 28, 2010 Share #28 Posted March 28, 2010 You may want to read this: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/103014-silly-question-black-silver-50-1-a.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 28, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 28, 2010 My chrome 50 ASPH Lux was very stiff to focus. Even after a year it had hardly loosened off. I did not like it terribly either on the M8, as it seemed to produce overly hard images. I exchanged it for a MATE V2. If I had known the M9 was going to come out as soon as it did, I would probably have kept it and sent it to Solms to get the focus sorted. For the M9 I bought one 11826 50 Summicron after another, both of them were very poor. I now have a 50 Planar, which I like a lot but I would like an extra stop. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted March 28, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 28, 2010 Seems your M9 has two hot-shoes, very cool ;-) Alas, they are two cold shoes. Connected to my Thumbs Up CSEP-4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tategoi Posted March 28, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 28, 2010 My chrome 50 ASPH Lux was very stiff to focus. Even after a year it had hardly loosened off. I did not like it terribly either on the M8, as it seemed to produce overly hard images. I exchanged it for a MATE V2. If I had known the M9 was going to come out as soon as it did, I would probably have kept it and sent it to Solms to get the focus sorted. For the M9 I bought one 11826 50 Summicron after another, both of them were very poor. I now have a 50 Planar, which I like a lot but I would like an extra stop. Wilson Ditto, my chrome 50 1.4 also has a very stiff focus ring. I have been giving it some exercise every few days, left, right, left, right, left ..... and yes, it has loosen up a bit. Although its not as smooth as my 35 'cron, but I can get used to it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 28, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 28, 2010 Ditto, my chrome 50 1.4 also has a very stiff focus ring. I have been giving it some exercise every few days, left, right, left, right, left ..... and yes, it has loosen up a bit. Although its not as smooth as my 35 'cron, but I can get used to it now. I nearly gave myself RSI doing that but it barely loosened at all. There was another thread on Leica's reputation for stiff focusing. I assume it is so that after 20 years use, they will be nicely broken in but given that I am in my mid 60's, RF lens focusing is likely to be of limited interest to me in 20 years. Zeiss seems to have got a better compromise. All three of the ZM lenses I have owned, had silky smooth focusing. Interestingly my older Leica lenses (e.g. 135 T-Elmar and 280 V-Telyt), which have had very little use, so it is not a wearing in issue, focus far more smoothly. I wonder if they hand lapped the focus barrel threads in those days, with jewellers rouge. Too labour intensive to do that these days. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 28, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 28, 2010 I must be mad - There is nothing wrong with a silver lens on a black body imo. That is the best looking M9 I have ever seen. VERY NICE!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 28, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 28, 2010 You could as well get a 50 2.5 Summarit lens and wait on a good deal of a black 50 Lux ASPH later. I for myself am looking for a good deal for a Summarit, to add, as during the daytime, I don't fancy the Lux more heavy and bulky Lux. During darker light though, I love the 50 Lux ASPH. Everything, you heard about it is true - the unmatched brilliant optics, the total lack of flare issues with strong backlight, the creamy, soft background rendering, the stiff, annoying focus ring and the unobtainability these days. I got lucky, as I got mine used in a great opportunity some weeks before the M9 saw the light ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9n Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share #35 Posted March 28, 2010 A new day and a new bias to the consensus seems to be appearing. The silver on black camp is fighting back! Stig, I had a look at the lens on ebay, but as its a pre-ASPH I feel I would prefer to stay with the current model as it is the superb performance of the current range of Leica lenses that appeals to me for general usage. Besides, I do already have a fast 50mm in the shape of the Canon 50mm f1.2 LTM, but its long focus throw and minimum close focus distance, along with its soft dreamy look at f1.2, though slightly better at f1.4 and f2 reinforce the quest for the ASPH as a replacement. The Canon can then be a `special effects' lens when required. Steve, thanks for the prompt about the similar field of views of the 50mm and 75mm. I am aware of it, but it is a fast lens which I would like to add to and compliment my set of 24/35/75mm lenses. The Popflash option is really a no-goer as buying any major item abroad only attracts a huge customs and VAT bill on arrival here in the UK. Thanks for clarifying Bill, however I beg to differ, if I may. I think the black Leica dot in place of the red and the removal of the white M9 does make the camera a little less noticable, as illustrated in the pictures of the similar blog in the link sent by imported_leicaiste. For all who praise the solidity of the brass/chrome lenses - I was prompted to remember the only such lens I have used, the DR Summicron on an M2. Yes I am in agreement and that is one solid hefty combination, definitely putting the M8/M9 into shame on this point - they feel almost hollow in comparison! The stiff focussing issues Wilson and tategoi have seem to be the exception to the otherwise general reports that the chrome lenses focus smoother. Is this a sign of variable quality control at Leica or is Wilson right in that they are assembling the lenses for constant use by this generation of photographers so that the next can benefit our physical efforts loosening them up? K-H, I second your statement. The photographer (me!) is the main cause of less than perfect Leica images every time. Too many years of DSLR use and ol' tired eyes are not the best introduction into serious rangefinder photography at this late stage. Oh, if only to have been able to afford Leicas when younger, with better eyesight and faster responses - such is the topsy turvyness of life! Nice though to have some advantages of getting older, after years of grafting behind you. menos, I do believe the Summarit 50mm f2.5 could be an excellent temporary option, but I am quite happy with my one lens outfit choice of the Summicron 35mm ASPH. As mentioned above the 50mm ASPH is, like with yourself (lucky you), all about low light situations and not general photography. Well, I seem to be moving towards the centre of the fence after the latest answers to my questions. I guess at this moment I still could be persuaded to fall on either side. After all that, it should only be the fine performance of the lens that counts, and not the mantle it wears. But we are human and strange things seem to matter! Choices, choices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted March 28, 2010 Share #36 Posted March 28, 2010 Personally colour for me is irrelevant its a tool but I bought the black one just because it is a lot lighter than the brass/chrome version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotofoto Posted March 28, 2010 Share #37 Posted March 28, 2010 don't want to bore people by posting boring photos from the zoo. but for this one time I have to ;-) a zoo visit with my little son today was a good opportunity to shot some picts with the new Lux 50 asph. back at home the 100% crop in LR shows so much sharpness and details. ISO 160, f2, 1/3000sek. this lens is a must have, it don't matter if it's black or chrome ;-) have a great sunday mich Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116577-summilux-50mm-f14-asph-in-chrome/?do=findComment&comment=1275855'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 28, 2010 Share #38 Posted March 28, 2010 mich, Many thanks for your feedback. Dear K.H., your shots from screen are looking so similary tas my shots, thats amazing. I like the testshooting from a screen, the moirée shows so much better, where the focus area is, so its quite easy to proof. Agreed. I made a similar observation in http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/111918-m9-lens-focus-setting.html by stating, quote: "Another interesting detail is the pattern of faint greenish and reddish rectangular lines. This seems to coincide with the DOF, presumably caused by the lack of an AA filter and the sharp focus of M9+lens on the display screen's underlying ultra-fine pixel structure, and is reminiscent of a Moiré pattern." I also performed the measurements by focusing on a sheet of paper to demonstrate that the criticism by lars_bergquist in the reference above seems to be not too relevant. In my experience, my 30" Apple Cinema Display shows the text right at or near the screen surface. Any measuring error introduced that way is certainly pretty small (of order paper sheet thickness) compared to the overall accuracy of our approach. My guess is, the focus distance measurements from paper or screen display agree to within +- 1mm or so for the 50 Lux at close focus distance and wide open. Again, my on screen measurements are posted here: 2010-01-29 50 Sum screen - winklers' Photos. My on paper measurements are posted here: 2010-01-29 50 Sum paper - winklers' Photos. If I define the focus distance as the average of the Near and Far Limit of the DOF and denote ∆ as the difference between the actually measured focus distance and the one given by the M9 rangefinder, then |∆/DoF| < 50% would indicate that the measured focus point is still within the DOF as given by the M9 rangefinder. Stopping down, I find these values for my M9 and 50 Lux ASPH: (f=1.4, -44%), (f=2,-26%), (f=2.8,-14%), (f=4, -5%), (f=5.6, -1%), (f=8, 0%), (f=11, 0%), (f=16,0%) hm, margin of error? I gave a few weeks ago all my lenses and the M9to Leica to adjust focuspoint. So my new 1.4/50mm has to be integrated in this reference setup. maybe that is the reason for the little front focus in combination with my camera. Interesting. How many lenses did you give them? I have a fundamental problem with adjusting camera and lenses to each other. I much prefer that the camera and lenses independently are calibrated against a known reference point. That way the lenses could be used on more than one camera with predictable results within the margin of error. I wonder what Leica's rangefinder calibration error margin is and where it is published? Obviously, using just reference models would result in somewhat larger errors than fine tuning a particular lens to a particular camera. today I took some shots from 1.4/50mm asph, the summicron 50mm and thenokton 1.1/50mm to compare sharpness. because I do not really need 3x 50mm I guess, 2 lenses have to go. The Lux 50mm is at least as sharp as the cron @ f2 and has def. more contrast. wondeful lens. The Nokton is not bad at all, f1.1 is accompanied with a lovely bokeh, but of cause sharpness is not the same when you have 100% crop. So I am not sure, which lenses I should sell. Of cause I keep the Lux and maybe the Nokton. Any help welcome ;-) have a nice sunday mich I have a 50 lux ASPH and cron and will keep both as I don't plan on selling any of my Leica gear. Good luck with your decision what to keep. Have a nice Sunday as well, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotofoto Posted March 28, 2010 Share #39 Posted March 28, 2010 Interesting. How many lenses did you give them? I have a fundamental problem with adjusting camera and lenses to each other. I much prefer that the camera and lenses independently are calibrated against a known reference point. That way the lenses could be used on more than one camera with predictable results within the margin of error. I wonder what Leica's rangefinder calibration error margin is and where it is published? Obviously, using just reference models would result in somewhat larger errors than fine tuning a particular lens to a particular camera. K.H., thank you for your link, very interesting and inspiring. I gave the 2.8/21mm asph, 2/28mm asph, 2/35mm, 2/50mm and the 2/90mm asph to Leica. I asked them, to give all the lenses with both cameras, M8 and M9 the best match for focus accuracy. That was the reason, why they could not calibrate against one reference point. Every piece of mechanics has its range of tolerance. It may happen that on both cameras the values are on the opposite side of max. tolerance. Regards Mich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9n Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share #40 Posted March 28, 2010 Thought I would share my version of `stealthed' M9 - just for Bill! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116577-summilux-50mm-f14-asph-in-chrome/?do=findComment&comment=1276118'>More sharing options...
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