Visoflex III + bellows II + UZEOO

[sandro]

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Another question came up, since I received a Visoflex III and bellows II with the 3.5/65 Elmar. I bought a 4/200 Telyt that I talked about another time. Now my question is this: is the Leitz compendium UZEOO, the lens hood for the bellows, the same for both bellows I and II? Does anyone know which lenses it fits on and for which lenses it is useful? How does it work: do you extend it according to your own judgement?

Thanks a lot.

[jc_braconi]

Now my question is this: is the Leitz compendium UZEOO, the lens hood for the bellows, the same for both bellows I and II? .

NO

Does anyone know which lenses it fits on and for which lenses it is useful? How does it work: do you extend it according to your own judgement?

Thanks a lot.

on the very first I model it clamp over the front lens adapter ring

second I model and II model E 42, usually, clamping like a hood , but as the connections are screwed on, you can use an E 43 at least.

I have one of those for this purpose.

[luigi bertolotti]

Bellows I and Bellows II had two different extensible hoods: UZEOO (16565) and UZEOM (16567) were for the Bellows I, 16557 was for the Bellows II.

16565 was made to be mounted over the lenses with 36mm diameter (Elmar 50/90, Hektor 135... all the lenses which accept the A36 filters), while 16567/16557 were made for the lenses with 42 mm diameter (Summicron 50 etc... all the E39 lenses with the groove to fit the clip-on hoods like IROOA etc..: the hood has such clips to fit the lenses). The hood for Bellows II wasn't made ina version for A36 lenses... they were "old" when it was introduced... but, as always, Leitz took care of users who wanted to use thair "legacy" A36 lenses... and a proper adapter was made (13154)

 

You extend it to your judgement, as you say... after all, you have reflex viewing through Visoflex and can control the effect.

[sandro]

Thanks JC, and Luigi. Very good that you gave me the specific numbers of the items, so I can look for what I need. Until now I have only used the Elmar 3.5/65 and the Elmarit 2.8/90 on the Bellows II. As I understand you, there was no compendium with hood for the Elmar 65? Perhaps not becaus the lens is recessed. At the moment I am in Rome for a few weeks, but I don't expect to find the compendium-hood here. They aren't offered often.

Thanks again, Lex

[jc_braconi]

 

[UliWer]

Here's an example with the Elmar 3,5/65 on the Bellows II with the 16557 compendium just touching the front of the Elmar: You don't see vignetting, though it's taken with the M8, so it may be different with full format:

 

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You can't fix the 16557 compendium on the lens:

 

 

I think it's rather useless, as the recessed front lens of the Elmar does not need a hood.

[sandro]

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Thanks, Uli. Looks interesting anyway and I will try to get the 16557 compendium for my Bellows II. Theoretically it should help toisolate the object more, I guess. Does it work properly that you can see it through the lens when you have pulled out the hood too far? I will be using it with film, since I don't have an M8 or M9 and I am very happy with my analog M's. So I will keep looking out for a 16557.

Lex

[UliWer]

... Does it work properly that you can see it through the lens when you have pulled out the hood too far? ...

 

I don't see any vignetting looking through the visoflex finder with the compendium fully stretched. Though I won't guarantee that you won't see dark shadows at the edges on full format. As you can't fix the compedium properly to the lens, you won't get a stable combination this way, you can only stabilize it, if the compendium isn't stretched.

 

To make it short: this combination makes no sense, and you don't need it really. If you fix the compendium on the heads of a 90- or 135mm you will realize the difference.

[sandro]

Strange really that the compendium can't be properly fixed to the Elmar 65, which is the nr. 1 lens on the Visoflex and Bellows. I found a compendium (unfortunately with Bellows, which I already have) so I am looking forward to play with it. I may use the heads of an older Summicron 50 and of the Elmarit 90, to which the compendium should fit.

Thanks again!

[jc_braconi]

I may use the heads of an older Summicron 50 and of the Elmarit 90, to which the compendium should fit.

Thanks again!

And also the Elmar 135

[tobey bilek]

Decades back I used a Tiffin 43mm adapter ring an epoxied a 39 mm front on it.

 

This is the route to take

[sandro]

Decades back I used a Tiffin 43mm adapter ring an epoxied a 39 mm front on it.

 

This is the route to take

 

Can you explain that a bit more? What kind of adapter is that, does it fit between the lens and the compendium?

And JC, I am aware of the possible use of the Elmar 135, but I don't have one.

Lex

[tobey bilek]

Sorry wrong. The chrome 65 takes #611 Tiffin ser VI. adapter. The Black 65 uses a

"44 M 6 Tiffin adapter ring ser 6" which is a 44mm to ser VI filter retaining ring. It is a two part piece, black fits on lens, and there is an aluminum ring with a recess slot for ser 6 filters. Screw together and ser 6 filters fit on the black 65. The threaded " thing" I epoxied onto the chrome portion appears to be an old 42 mm Pentax T mount, just the threaded camera portion, not the whole T Mount. Apparently I ground down the outside so it is the same diameter as the OD aluminum half of the Tiffin ring. Looking at some other M42 T mounts, this required taking considerable of on my grinding wheel.

 

I matched up the threads with an old Pentax body cap and they appear the same.

 

I found an old Pentax that had flood damage, and they are indeed 42mm, but the wrong pitch. the inside is 39 mm but not Leica 39 mm pitch. So the exposied piece is not from

a T mount and not a Pentax 39/42 adapter either. So I don`t know the source.

 

The screw portion of a Pentax T Mount would work because pitch is not critical, only that you have 39 mm threads extending into the clips of the bellows shade.

 

A ring 39 female/ 42 male would also work. I had one at one time , but it has been lost for decades. I ground the outside down to make the 39mm threads from the 125 mm Hector mate with a Pentax.. The 39 male threads from the 125 are recessed so the adapter had to be made smaller to fit the recess. This was my first Leica lens and it was outstanding compared to the Pentax lens shots on the same roll. Got me started.

 

I have no idea where to get the Tiffin ring today. Any 44 mm thread piece with a flat front would do. A pentax T Mount is doable. I have one you could have. Tiffin is still around.

 

What I told you is exactly what is printed on the Tiffin ring inside the quotes.

 

The set up works fine and you can definately see if there is vignetting on the viso. If you use a 90 or 135, you don`t need the adapter. The 65 glass is so well recessed, not sure if you need a shade at all.

 

If you need more help, I can do a photo.

[sandro]

Thanks for the helpful information. I am abroad now but I bought a compendium, should be delivered when I get home in about 8 days. I will see where it will bring me, and if necessary I will ask for pictures. From the description it isn't a very easy job, but in a thread of a few years ago I read that there exist specific rings.

Lex

[sandro]

In my evening hours here in Rome I search the internet, since not everything is clear to me yet. Tobey you mention the Tiffen adapter ring # 611 series VI, and Luigi mentionedthe Leitz adapter 13154 - SOOGZ. My E39 lenses won't cause a problem with the compendium, it should cover those. The Elmar 3.5/65 mm however is too wide apparently. The filter size of that lens is E41, so I would say I need something to screw on the lens using the E41 filter thread, and on the other size small enough to fit in the clamps of yhe compendium. Are both adapter mentioned doing that?

Thanks again!

Lex

[luigi bertolotti]

In my evening hours here in Rome I search the internet, since not everything is clear to me yet. Tobey you mention the Tiffen adapter ring # 611 series VI, and Luigi mentionedthe Leitz adapter 13154 - SOOGZ. My E39 lenses won't cause a problem with the compendium, it should cover those. The Elmar 3.5/65 mm however is too wide apparently. The filter size of that lens is E41, so I would say I need something to screw on the lens using the E41 filter thread, and on the other size small enough to fit in the clamps of yhe compendium. Are both adapter mentioned doing that?

Thanks again!

Lex

The 13154 does not fit your need : no way to "couple" it to an Elmar 65. Don't know about the Tiffin adapter. But, as Uliwer wrote above, you can use the compendium simply making it "touch" the Elmar 65 front.