geesbert Posted March 20, 2010 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) the long awaited new firmware update annoys me big time in not showing a sharp preview instantly, having to wait three seconds to see the whole image reasonably sharp renders it useless for me. where can I find a copy of the former FW? or can anyone mail it to me, if they still have it? Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Knorp Posted March 20, 2010 Share #2 Posted March 20, 2010 the long awaited new firmware update annoys me big time in not showing a sharp preview instantly, having to wait three seconds to see the whole image reasonably sharp renders it useless for me. where can I find a copy of the former FW? or can anyone mail it to me, if they still have it? Stefan Hi Stefan, just sent you the m9-1_002.zip file to your info mail-box. Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 20, 2010 Share #3 Posted March 20, 2010 the long awaited new firmware update annoys me big time in not showing a sharp preview instantly, having to wait three seconds to see the whole image reasonably sharp renders it useless for me. Stefan, why are you trying to assess an image on the basis of 100% preview? I'd seriously suggest you stop worrying on this - overall framing + the histogram and blown highlights are the really useful information. IMHO you're much better off waiting until you've downloaded to a raw processor until you worry about 100% view. In my experience the new firmware is a major improvement as the image + histogram are rendered more quickly for the occassions when you feel a need to check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 20, 2010 Share #4 Posted March 20, 2010 Alternatively, if you want 100% preview, use a view camera. Actually, what Chris said is spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimF Posted March 20, 2010 Share #5 Posted March 20, 2010 I agree with Chris too. There's no change in having the initial preview taking a few seconds to be fully formed. That's a shame, but hopefully will be addressed in due course. But having enlargements come up instantly (once the whole image is rendered fully) is worth its weight in gold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meino Posted March 20, 2010 Share #6 Posted March 20, 2010 Even my wife's D90 takes a second to render a full sharp preview, and it has only to deal with a 12mp image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted March 20, 2010 Share #7 Posted March 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) the long awaited new firmware update annoys me big time in not showing a sharp preview instantly, having to wait three seconds to see the whole image reasonably sharp renders it useless for me. where can I find a copy of the former FW? or can anyone mail it to me, if they still have it? Stefan I agree it is annoying (more than). When shooting DNG+JPG it takes up to 8 seconds to render either in full frame or zoomed preview. So when on 3 or 5 second review you never get to see a sharp image! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 20, 2010 Share #8 Posted March 20, 2010 It must have been hell for you guys in the days of film! Waiting anything from two hours to two days to review your images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 20, 2010 Share #9 Posted March 20, 2010 Two days -- even more for Kodachrome! And the EXIF data on my film negatives from the 1960's is full of errors. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted March 20, 2010 Share #10 Posted March 20, 2010 It must have been hell for you guys in the days of film! Waiting anything from two hours to two days to review your images. Maybe that's the idea behind the FW downgrade...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted March 20, 2010 Share #11 Posted March 20, 2010 BTW, is it possible and safe for your camera to make the FW downgrade? If I'm not wrong, you can't do that. Anyway, I'm ok with the new firmware, at last when I make the 100% preview I know that what I see is what I get, with the former FW, as discussed many times, showing a 100% preview wasn't reliable on effective focus accuracy. I don't like chimping, so when I have to check the picture on the LCD, I trade time for accuracy... hands down. Just my 2cent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted March 20, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 20, 2010 It is possible, I'm not sure it is safe. Cheers, Ario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geesbert Posted March 20, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted March 20, 2010 It must have been hell for you guys in the days of film! Waiting anything from two hours to two days to review your images. I wasn't born then..... Bart, Thanks a lot, just downgraded to be happy again, worked without a hick I hardly ever zoom in, but usually get a pretty good feeling about whether I hit focus or not by looking a the full frame view. when I see the catchlights in my subjects eyes it is usually reasonably sharp, but if the 3 seconds preview isn't long enough to render a full image, what's the point of instant preview? I just shot a job yesterday where I took some 700 images in less than 3 hours. usually I have a quick instant glance at every third frame or so. having to wait three or four seconds won't work in such a situation. personally I find the instant histogram totally overrated. I have the highlight warning on for not blowing the highlights, but I am looking for content, contrast and perceived brightness, I couldn't care less for a perfect histogram shape. stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sprow Posted March 20, 2010 Share #14 Posted March 20, 2010 In my shooting, I find the images produced are far better if I do not check the display at all unless in difficult light -- rather placing my attention fully on the opportunities for the next photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted March 20, 2010 Share #15 Posted March 20, 2010 I started another thread on this already. Like geesbert it's an annoyance for quick shooting pros. I've considered downgrading too but will try and live with for the moment. I shoot a lot of high iso and it is nice that once it finishes drawing the preview is much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted March 20, 2010 Share #16 Posted March 20, 2010 In my shooting, I find the images produced are far better if I do not check the display at all unless in difficult light -- rather placing my attention fully on the opportunities for the next photo. We have different ways of shooting - some shoot film, some check the full preview, some zoom in, some don't chimp. Some of us do all these things... I just think that the trade-off is too much. The larger JPG preview for checking focus is delaying the rendering of the full screen review by 8 seconds! I look at far more full screen images than those I zoom in on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted March 20, 2010 Share #17 Posted March 20, 2010 but I am looking for content, contrast and perceived brightness, I couldn't care less for a perfect histogram shape. I am curious: how do you do evaluate brightness and contrast without the histogram? Are you constantly adjusting the display brightness to the surrounding light levels? Experience? I have found it difficult, if not impossible, to do so. BTW: Looking for a perfect histogram shape is pointless since there is no such thing. However, short of a good spot light meter the histogram is the best tool to verify that your shadows are indeed shadows and the highlights are where you want them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted March 20, 2010 Share #18 Posted March 20, 2010 I am curious: how do you do evaluate brightness and contrast without the histogram? Are you constantly adjusting the display brightness to the surrounding light levels? Experience? I have found it difficult, if not impossible, to do so. BTW: Looking for a perfect histogram shape is pointless since there is no such thing. However, short of a good spot light meter the histogram is the best tool to verify that your shadows are indeed shadows and the highlights are where you want them. I too use the review screen never a histogram. You get better at reading the image in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted March 21, 2010 Share #19 Posted March 21, 2010 I am curious: how do you do evaluate brightness and contrast without the histogram? Are you constantly adjusting the display brightness to the surrounding light levels? Experience? I have found it difficult, if not impossible, to do so. BTW: Looking for a perfect histogram shape is pointless since there is no such thing. However, short of a good spot light meter the histogram is the best tool to verify that your shadows are indeed shadows and the highlights are where you want them. Roey, I know everyone has different techniques, but I never look at a histogram, (well hardly ever!). I have my review set at 1 sec. and I glance at that if I have any doubts. That instant glimpse is more than sufficient to tell me what I need. Maybe it is a 'carry over' practice from my film days when the only alternative was to be confident with your chosen exposure and just go for it! It always (well nearly always!) worked and I never lost an assignment on that basis. Practice, experience, confidence. Combine them into a formidable tool. When not shooting digital and using film I never chimp. The method still works fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 21, 2010 Share #20 Posted March 21, 2010 I too use the review screen never a histogram. You get better at reading the image in time.+1 The histogram is for postprocessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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