markgay Posted February 21, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance.. There's always room for f/2." "Sony has decided to keep no secrets and has outlined its forthcoming plans for 2010, including an APS-C competitor for micro Four Thirds. The company has mockup images of a compact, slimline camera, plus three lenses including a currently-fashionable pancake prime.. Finally the high end is catered for by an upcoming Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 24mm F2 wideangle lens." Sony shares its digital imaging strategy: Digital Photography Review If true, as it seems, it could give the the X1 a real competitor with a same-sized sensor (some rumours suggest the same sensor) yet with all the advantages of the micro four-thirds interchangeable lens cameras like the GF1 and, to top it all, a faster 24mm (effective 35mm) than the X1. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted February 21, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 21, 2010 Well, it is nice to see this format get more options. This mock-up is lame though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 21, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 21, 2010 No trouble IMO. Different beast. Just posted this in the 3200 thread: I've been monitoring the newly announced Sony E-mount system very closely these past few days. It looks like Sony wants to reserve a piece of the EVIL-pie that is now in the hands of Panasonic and Olympus, with Samsung just entering this market. Sony still only has mock-ups to show and it might take another six months (Photokina) to a year or so for anything to hit the shelves. Besides, I personally feel the X1 is a totally different concept. EVIL's are very different 'compacts'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 21, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 21, 2010 Mark, to be clear: the upcoming Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 24mm F2 wideangle lens you mention, is for the FF Sony Alpha line. Nothing to do with the newly announced E-mount. Sony announced this 24 mm lens for the Alpha mount two years ago... Now the show a 'pre-production' model... Just the lens is estimated to weigh something like 500 to 750 grams... Besides, this 24 mm F2 is BIG and you'd need an adapter too, which would make the whole set-up 3 to 4 times as big as the X1... No official word on the A- to E-mount adapter by the way, though it's generally expected to become available at some point in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 21, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 21, 2010 ... EVIL's are very different 'compacts'. Give X1 a clip-on EVF and it becomes an EVIL sans IL. Will need interchangeable lenses to compete with the Sonys though. With good Zeiss lenses, the latters sound more appealing from this viewpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted February 21, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 21, 2010 Well, that's the point, the X1 is not an EVIL camera, nor should it have to be. If I want to use a camera with interchangeable lenses, I'll bring my FF DSLR's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cheewai_m6 Posted February 22, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 22, 2010 sony cameras look hideous. always have. i know they're 'mock-ups' but they're hideous mock ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted February 22, 2010 Mark, to be clear: the upcoming Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 24mm F2 wideangle lens you mention, is for the FF Sony Alpha line. Nothing to do with the newly announced E-mount. Sony announced this 24 mm lens for the Alpha mount two years ago... Now the show a 'pre-production' model... Just the lens is estimated to weigh something like 500 to 750 grams... Besides, this 24 mm F2 is BIG and you'd need an adapter too, which would make the whole set-up 3 to 4 times as big as the X1... No official word on the A- to E-mount adapter by the way, though it's generally expected to become available at some point in the future. Peter, thanks for clarifying that. Clearly no trouble ahead. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 22, 2010 Any mention of sticking to the memory stick ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxBob Posted February 22, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 22, 2010 Just another 'me too' camera that will bob along in the mass. I appreciate that it is what the market seems to want but that is not what I want. The X1 is almost there for me because it is a quality product that gives me, should I choose, the degree of control that I want, readily available, without menus. Non-interchangeable - good, keeps the price down and means I do not have to think about other lenses. One lens is a discipline, not a limitation. I have yet to try the X1 but if the focus and shutter lag are not too bad, I will give it a go, otherwise I will try the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 22, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 22, 2010 One day some individuals may figure out that companies don't make cameras for you as individuals.............. meanwhile bitchin about cameras remains the game on forums I am answering question I already suspect the answer to, so I hope you don't mind my lack of interest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larbel Posted February 23, 2010 Share #13 Posted February 23, 2010 Besides Sony, Sigma also just announced that they'll be stepping into the game with a APS size interchangable lens camera. Interchangable lens on small body really don't do anything for me, be it APS or Micro 3/4 size. If you add any lens other than pencake to these smaller body, it defeats all the purpose of portabilities, by then, why not just go with DSLR? I'm a Canon 5DII user, and I know very well what I'm getting into when buying the X1. The X1 fills the gap of something more portable while keeping great picture quality. Yes, there're tons of limitations, but then, I wouldn't have to worry about what lens and gears to bring. It's just that.. a DSLR quality snap camera that I can just grab and shoot without thinking. For more detailed works and special situations, I leave that up to my 5DII. With Mirco 3/4 or APS compact that changes lens, I guess it's target more towards those that don't want full DSLR's weight... But honestly, if I'm to bring 2 or 3 lens out with say a GF1, I might as well just take my DSLR. To me, the Sony mock up, Samsung NX10 or the Sigma seem more like a competitor for a used M8 rather than X1 One can never compare Leica to other brand based on pricing anyway.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted February 23, 2010 Share #14 Posted February 23, 2010 From my seat, I really don't see trouble for anyone, least of all Leica. Wait long enough and there will always be a new camera on the horizon worth stalling for. Its been the technology format since the PC came on the scene. How many times have we heard, rumor has it... Most die hard Leica fans will likely buy the X1. Those wanting to become a Leica fan may stick with plans. Those looking to justify not investing two thousand dollars can wait for the next great camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 23, 2010 Share #15 Posted February 23, 2010 some healthy competition from ricoh ............. Camera unit GR LENS A12 28 mm F2.5 (name tentative)*2 Featuring a newly developed 28 mm fixed-focal-length GR LENS, this camera unit achieves high resolution and high imaging power. A 23.6 mm × 15.7 mm (APS-C size) CMOS sensor is used. The combination of this sensor with the GR ENGINE Ⅲ image processing engine enables the camera unit to shoot high-quality images with smooth tone gradations as well as high definition and low noise. There is a manual focus ring that can be used for precise focus adjustments. Start of sales planned for the winter of 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 23, 2010 Share #16 Posted February 23, 2010 Must be a 18mm (28mm FoV) lens i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 23, 2010 Share #17 Posted February 23, 2010 ...so they say 28 in 35mm film language Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 23, 2010 Share #18 Posted February 23, 2010 some healthy competition from ricoh ............. Would that be a backlit CMOS sensor, which allegedly can do miracles in the low light department? Maybe Ricoh's concept which allows to keep pace with sensor technology improvement is not the dumbest after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 23, 2010 Share #19 Posted February 23, 2010 some healthy competition from ricoh ............. Those specs sound great... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 23, 2010 Share #20 Posted February 23, 2010 You missed the most important announcement and that is that they will be offering a sensor only module that can use third party lenses. M lenses perhaps? "A sensor-only unit is also being investigated that will allow users of third party lenses to attach them to the GXR body." The above is from meeting with Amateur Photographer magazine during the PMA show in Anaheim Kazunobu Saiki, the general manager for Ricoh's European camera business, for full text see: http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/...h_GXR_lenses_planned_news_295193.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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