pelagia Posted February 14, 2010 Share #21 Posted February 14, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Stefan, thank you for this interesting thread. Looking forward to see the pictures. Question: did you change lenses during the shoot? Did your assistant change lenses with Canon sycronically, or used zoom? I wonder if and how the rangefinder would change the habit of lens use (specifically in case of this type of assignment). And I know your thread topic was simply about the highest ISO Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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geesbert Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted February 14, 2010 sorry, i cannot show anything before it is published, which wont be till summer. i used three lenses: 35 lux, 50 lux and 75 cron, swapped them myself and very often. I shot about a thousand frames in 3-4h. for the canon i had 35, 50 and 85 primes at hand, but didn't use the 50. I don't use zooms. what really helpd were the HMIs. they are great, but at 3500€ per unit quite pricey. and the run really hot, which means moving them during the shoot is a pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted February 14, 2010 Share #23 Posted February 14, 2010 Stefan, Congrats on your shoot and thanks for the thread- brought out some interesting topics for us working pros. Just curious if you're using the Colorchecker Passport with all your mixed lighting? I love mine for that kind of thing and it comes with software to profile your camera. I've profiled my Canons but I'm between Leica bodies right now (sold my M8 but no M9 yet) so haven't tried profiling those. If you have let us know. Cheers, Joel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geesbert Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share #24 Posted February 14, 2010 yes, the passport is really handy. I used to use the large color checker, but that then was replaced with the small one, which was too small most of the times. the passport just has the perfect size. I'll try to add one color checker shot to every setup, but I tend to forget... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted February 15, 2010 Share #25 Posted February 15, 2010 Have you tried profiling the M9? If so I'd be curious what you think of the profiles vs the Adobe defaults. I thought it did a good job with the Canons but wondering about the M9. Thanks. yes, the passport is really handy. I used to use the large color checker, but that then was replaced with the small one, which was too small most of the times. the passport just has the perfect size. I'll try to add one color checker shot to every setup, but I tend to forget... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geesbert Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share #26 Posted February 15, 2010 yes I did profile it. I am not so shure wheter it is really worth the work, sometimes its is great, sometimes it is way off, but maybe I have to be a bit more systematic in my approach. I think the Adobe supplied one isn't too bad... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 3, 2010 Share #27 Posted March 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) As an extension of this discussion, those interested might be interested in looking at the results of work carried out a couple of days ago for a concert curated by Birminghan Conservatoire (Grup Instrumental de Valencia at King's Place). The project was to document the rehearsals and performance for a concert of new music by Grup Instrumental de Valencia. The commission asked for images which could speak to themes of technology in the arts, professionalism and collective creativity. I worked with the Canon 5D2 (85 1.2 and 300 2.8 - a 20 year old lens which is still stellar in its performance!) + the M9 and 28 + 50. The first three shots below are with the 28 (ISO given in the image) and the last with the 50. Lighting was VERY low, but I was very happy with the results - the range of lighting intensity that the M9 could deal with was great - highlights could be managed, and retained shadow detail will be fully sufficient for poster sized prints. BTW - the final shot of the whole ensemble was stitched from 2 images taken with the 50 lux asph. The more I use this combination, the happier I am. Having the M9 means you can work in close without disturbing the musicians and with the M on a strap across your body + the DSLR on a shoulder (or nearby on a tripod) the flexibility and mobility are a dream. M9 for professional use? High ISO? No problem. I stayed with 800 and 1600 because this gave me what I needed. With fast lenses, I've still not found many situations where I really NEED 2400 - but it's nice to know it's there. Right now the M9 works. With future firmware improvements and enhanced RAW processing, it can only get better. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112295-m9-for-professional-use-highest-iso/?do=findComment&comment=1245571'>More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted March 3, 2010 Share #28 Posted March 3, 2010 ...(ISO given in the image)... ? All at 800-1600? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 4, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 4, 2010 Sorry for lack of clarity #1 @ 800 #2 @ 1600 #3 @ 1600 #4 @ 1600 For interest, I give below some 100% crops + one of the 5D mk2 1600 ISO images + crop. IMHO, the M9 at 1600 holds up - and remember - the proof of the image is in the print, not the 100% pixel peep. In large prints, I find the M9 images have more clarity and bite - not that the Canon files aren't incredibly good. Anyone remember working with 1600 film? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112295-m9-for-professional-use-highest-iso/?do=findComment&comment=1246885'>More sharing options...
jose Posted March 4, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 4, 2010 A good story with good use of high ISO's with the M9. What follows is in Leica Camera in Facebook: "... Leica Camera used by NYTimes photographer Mike Kamber, who has been using a Leica M9 for the last 6 month... See some of his pictures on the NYTimes blog...." And the link: Essay: How Not to Depict a War - Lens Blog - NYTimes.com Saludos, jose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 4, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 4, 2010 Thanks for posting these images. Personally I find the noise levels at 1600 unacceptable. At 800 its marginal. Your 5DII shot at 1600 looks great, no viable noise in the blacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted March 4, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 4, 2010 thank you for the extra details Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 4, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 4, 2010 Thanks for posting these images. Personally I find the noise levels at 1600 unacceptable. At 800 its marginal. Your 5DII shot at 1600 looks great, no viable noise in the blacks. I assume you mean no visible noise... A couple of caveats. 1/ look at the sequence at: Grup Instrumental de Valencia at King's Place - which image is 5D2, which image is M9? I can only tell by remembering the lenses I was using... 2/ Don't evaluate images on the basis of 100% shots. It's the prints that count. These images are going to be used on a mix of web and brochure print (mainly A5). For these purposes 1600 is absolutely fine - and they will go to A3 double page spreads. 4/ the examples from the M9 were in incredibly low light - especially the shot of the conductor. The 5D2 shot was much more intensly lit. This makes a big difference to the end result 5/ I've printed the conductor image at A3+ on an Epson 2100 on Harman Gloss Baryta paper - it's beautiful. I'd be interested to see what other results people are getting at high ISO with the M9. Brett?, Noah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 4, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 4, 2010 "Why on earth there are films with ISO 20?" I've always wondered that, myself. Andy, I have just been doing a job for a museum, where I have been copying a huge 24' x 36" Victorian photo album lent to them. The museum wanted both digital and film copies. The M9 files were very good using a Visoflex and 65 Elmar Mk1 (as long as you stopped it down to f8). For the film, I used my 3.5E Planar Rolleiflex with Rollei ATO2.1 25 ISO Advanced Technical Ortho Supergraphic film developed in Rollei ATP DC SPUR in the museum lab. I am allergic to most photo-chemicals after years of not wearing gloves, so I watched from a distance and shouted instructions. This is the first time I have used the Rollei 25 ISO film and I was very impressed with the results. We dusted off the enormous old MPP enlarger both inside and outside. I doubt if it had been used for over 20 years and ran off some sample prints to 36" x 36". You could see every fibre of the backing paper in the album. The museum thinks that the digital files will have corrupted/be unreadable in 20-30 years, which is why they want an alternative record on negatives. They are put in sealed air tight plastic boxes and supposedly will last 200+ years. I intend to go back and check ;-}} Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 4, 2010 Share #35 Posted March 4, 2010 I assume you mean no visible noise... Yes, sorry typo. I have a 5DII , M8 and M9...and no question the 5DII excels at high ISO. But I still use my M8/M9 80% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted March 5, 2010 Share #36 Posted March 5, 2010 1250 is fine for me and my newspaper work, but for a personal project or any shoot higher noise can work at times and make the shot look better it is a creative choice that can work for any given job. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted March 5, 2010 Share #37 Posted March 5, 2010 I'd be interested to see what other results people are getting at high ISO with the M9. Brett?, Noah? I rarely shot film faster than ISO 400. The fastest I've gone with the M9 when doing personal projects or assignments is 800. At that speed I'm happy with the prints up to 14x21in or probably larger, but I haven't tried. They're certainly good enough for agency/editorial use. They'd be fine at 1600 too I suspect, I just haven't needed it. Sure, there is noise in the shadows at 1600. But there is supposed to be noise in the shadows. And if you expose correctly and don't pull them up to ridiculous levels for an exaggerated level shadow detail, the shadow noise doesn't show up in print. Personally, when the light gets low I don't mind noise and/or motion blur. I actually care more about low-iso image quality. I'm starting to make larger exhibition prints and I want them to be clean and sharp at large sizes. And for that the leica glass and lack of AA filter make a big difference over the DSLRs I've tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 5, 2010 Share #38 Posted March 5, 2010 Noah - excellent points - and agreed. Most of the time 400 or 800 are plenty fast enough. In the shoot in question I gave the client an archive of 251 images. (15 from 5D / 111 from 5D2 / 125 from M9). Of the M9 images 72 were at 800 ISO and 53 were at 1600. In most cases I could have stayed at 800 right the way through - I just dropped a stop when it got really dark.... The image below was handheld at 1/8th of a second. What I'm trying to say is that the M9 produces image files at high ISO that are fully acceptable for professional purposes - from web to exhibition print. And I also agree with Noah, that the combination of Leica glass + low AA filtering makes the files exceptionally good at low ISOs. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112295-m9-for-professional-use-highest-iso/?do=findComment&comment=1248460'>More sharing options...
Fotomiguel Posted March 9, 2010 Share #39 Posted March 9, 2010 iso 1000 +50 cron with just +5 contrast and tiny sharpening. Capture one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! crop 100% Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! crop 100% ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112295-m9-for-professional-use-highest-iso/?do=findComment&comment=1253739'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 9, 2010 Share #40 Posted March 9, 2010 Yes - it works... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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