Can someone comment on X1 vs. other p&s speed?

[Douglasco]

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The X1 will be like the Digilux 2 in some respects, originally disliked by some but loved by many and it still produces great image quality today

[Douglasco]

Sorry Mark the posting was not for you it was ment for someone else and when I saw my mistake I deleted it.

[markpsf]

Sorry Mark the posting was not for you it was ment for someone else and when I saw my mistake I deleted it.

 

 

Thanks!

 

I thought that might be the case.

I still hope you got a chance to read my response before I deleted it.

We're on the same page.

I posted an entry on DP Review about what I describe as the syndrome of ripping the X1, wondering what the reason is for that crazy phenomenon.

 

Mark

[diogenis]

Thanks for that Douglas.

And one last test if you haven't done already: with LCD off -if there is such an option- and distance set with a previous shot, what is the shooting time again? Try it in the bright outside light.

 

Saying all these, times around 1.5 - 2.0 s are indeed not for streetshooting, and a camera made for AF is not the best one for zonefocusing. On an side note this form factor for a camera would scream for streetshooting, so one can question "what were they thinking?"

Quality obviously is rewarding, but when one considers long term use how much do you believe it will last?

[Douglasco]

And one last test if you haven't done already: with LCD off -if there is such an option- and distance set with a previous shot, what is the shooting time again? Try it in the bright outside light.

 

If the lcd is off and you are in manual thre is only appx .5 of a second lag after pressing the shutter button from halfway down.

 

I have not tried the camera at all in sunlight since haveing the camera it has either rained or snowed and it is fairly dark. I think it is supposed to be a bit brighter this afternoon and I hope to test the camera a bit more

[Douglasco]

Markpsf

I have just read your comments on dpreview and they are spot on.

all the best Doug

[damnsharp]

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I found a for me new movie on youtube (date 31/1) where you can see AF speed. The conditions are unlike the video of Steve Huff in bright light. Too bad I cannot understand what they are saying.

[jsrockit]

I found a for me new movie on youtube (date 31/1) where you can see AF speed. The conditions are unlike the video of Steve Huff in bright light. Too bad I cannot understand what they are saying.

 

Looks fine to me...both the camera and the girl.

[diogenis]

Well I just had the camera for 15mins and tried it a bit. (Jsrockit: na na nahh nahh na )

 

Ok here are observations

 

1. on the matter of shutter lag: yes there is shutter lag which mostly occurs due to AF, but worst is that it already has shutter lag even if fully manual and that is something like .5 secs. If you use it like a P&S you get anything from 1.5s to I dunno, never shot at night. Manual focus is not terrible, but we need some sort of visual aids. All that you get is a magnifier square apparently you get to see 100% of what the sensor records, the square is cropped, and the frame rate or refresh depends heavily on light conditions. If the scene is lighted then its fine, if its not then I guess you get power point slideshow

The 1.5s lag is not greatly reduced if you play with review, lcd screen on or off (via the optical VF which I also tried) I don't want to even think of how the AF will handle in dark setups, which is more or less what we saw with Steve's videos. So lag is there, they need to fix it. Even small fixes of say 20%-30% of improvement will count.

Leica in a later X2 should also implement video, using a fast frame chipset, then AF will eventually get fixed and so will performance in the dark.

 

2. Great form factor + weight and build construction: nothing much to say there. It's gorgeous

 

3. Image quality is nothing sort of breathtaking, however I do noticed also a Lot of color fringing! CA was shown on a recorded raw+jpeg, but only in Raw, jpeg was clear, while on another one the exact opposite! Raws record @ 17.6mb. Someone needs to make some CA torture tests.

 

4. Overall, if one manages to finally take the pic, the general impression is rewarding of a great quality. But I would like to see them compared with a GF1 toe - to - toe, because in the end the GF1 has to be a much more enjoyable camera due to response times.

 

It looks as if its a tool that will satisfy everyone from the uninitiated to the pro. Small, light, nice dials (I don't get what's the fuzz about dials?) and nice build quality. But it's not an M8/9. Neither in speed nor in build quality. Neither can I imagine it as a competitive product to the M8/9, except maybe the fact that its quieter and smaller, but not by much

[peterb]

Image quality: 10+

 

Looks: 8

 

AF: 3

 

Battery: 1

 

Fluidity of use: 6

 

(Just a guess based on the moaning here)

[jsrockit]

Well I just had the camera for 15mins and tried it a bit. (Jsrockit: na na nahh nahh na )

 

Ok here are observations

 

Wow, all of that from 15 minutes of use?

 

Ok, call me officially scared of the X1's shutter lag. If it truly is a delay even after focused, then that truly sucks.

[SJP]

that it already has shutter lag even if fully manual and that is something like .5 secs

mmm, that is a pity, did you measure the lag? There used to be a test here but the link seems dead http://www.shooting-digital.com/columns/schwartz/shutter_release_test/default.asp

[marcg]

Well I just had the camera for 15mins and tried it a bit. (Jsrockit: na na nahh nahh na )

 

Ok here are observations

 

1. on the matter of shutter lag: yes there is shutter lag which mostly occurs due to AF, but worst is that it already has shutter lag even if fully manual and that is something like .5 secs. If you use it like a P&S you get anything from 1.5s to I dunno, never shot at night. Manual focus is not terrible, but we need some sort of visual aids. All that you get is a magnifier square apparently you get to see 100% of what the sensor records, the square is cropped, and the frame rate or refresh depends heavily on light conditions. If the scene is lighted then its fine, if its not then I guess you get power point slideshow

The 1.5s lag is not greatly reduced if you play with review, lcd screen on or off (via the optical VF which I also tried) I don't want to even think of how the AF will handle in dark setups, which is more or less what we saw with Steve's videos. So lag is there, they need to fix it. Even small fixes of say 20%-30% of improvement will count.

Leica in a later X2 should also implement video, using a fast frame chipset, then AF will eventually get fixed and so will performance in the dark.

 

2. Great form factor + weight and build construction: nothing much to say there. It's gorgeous

 

3. Image quality is nothing sort of breathtaking, however I do noticed also a Lot of color fringing! CA was shown on a recorded raw+jpeg, but only in Raw, jpeg was clear, while on another one the exact opposite! Raws record @ 17.6mb. Someone needs to make some CA torture tests.

 

4. Overall, if one manages to finally take the pic, the general impression is rewarding of a great quality. But I would like to see them compared with a GF1 toe - to - toe, because in the end the GF1 has to be a much more enjoyable camera due to response times.

 

It looks as if its a tool that will satisfy everyone from the uninitiated to the pro. Small, light, nice dials (I don't get what's the fuzz about dials?) and nice build quality. But it's not an M8/9. Neither in speed nor in build quality. Neither can I imagine it as a competitive product to the M8/9, except maybe the fact that its quieter and smaller, but not by much

 

I'm just a bit surprised that you can find so much wanting in it - in your para.1 and then eventually conclude that it is going to satisfy everyone.

This sounds like the kind of review we see so often where the reviewer doesn't want to piss-off his sponsors.

[thomsva]

1. on the matter of shutter lag: yes there is shutter lag which mostly occurs due to AF, but worst is that it already has shutter lag even if fully manual and that is something like .5 secs.

 

I would estimate shutter lag with manual focus to much less than 0.5 seconds. If you have the previous image on the screen (autoreview), then there is a delay. Otherwise there is very little shutter delay when in manual focus mode.

[jsrockit]

Otherwise there is very little shutter delay when in manual focus mode.

 

Good...

[thomsva]

Of some reason I can't open the link that SJP suggests. I will try again later and see if I will be able to measure the lag with some accuracy.

[SJP]

I can't find the link either, but here it is from the wayback machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071019042953/http://www.shooting-digital.com/columns/schwartz/shutter_release_test/default.asp

 

It takes some time for the applet to load, but it seems to be operational. Press Go, press shutter release when the arrow is at 0, read the shutter lag from the picture.

[drstefanlenz]

this works great

 

did several tests for each cam (averaged):

leica m8 0,1 sec,

nikon d200 0,35 sec (AF+shutterlag),

d-lux4 0,55 sec (Af +shutterlag)

d-lux4 0,25 sec prefocussed

 

did minimum 3 shots each, the data lies within an error of approx 0,1 sec.

[diogenis]

Wow, all of that from 15 minutes of use?

 

Ok, call me officially scared of the X1's shutter lag. If it truly is a delay even after focused, then that truly sucks.

 

I think it was yea. But I'm not 100% certain. Nor did I had anything to measure times. After all it was just 15mins

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[diogenis]

I would estimate shutter lag with manual focus to much less than 0.5 seconds. If you have the previous image on the screen (autoreview), then there is a delay. Otherwise there is very little shutter delay when in manual focus mode.

 

Like I said, I only had the cam for 15mins, the site with the timer was/is down and there is no safe way to measure times. But please be my guest and measure it correctly.

That said though it is useless to use this cam in manual focus, there is no reason to do so. You get nothing in return