jsrockit Posted February 5, 2010 Share #41 Posted February 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it really shutter lag, or is it the time for the AF to lock focus. The two get often confused. They were taking into account everything from AF to the time the shutter is released... I don't shoot that way, so I'm not concerned. I always pre-focus by half pressing, hold it until I want to make the photo, and then the shutter should release relatively quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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barjohn Posted February 5, 2010 Share #42 Posted February 5, 2010 The 0.5 second Sean listed was in manual focus for a full press and that is SLOW. A moving subject will have changed position or expression in that time period. By way of comparison, the GXR with A12 (same sensor) full press time averaged .2sec whether a review image was showing or not camera in MF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 5, 2010 Share #43 Posted February 5, 2010 The 0.5 second Sean listed was in manual focus for a full press and that is SLOW. A moving subject will have changed position or expression in that time period. By way of comparison, the GXR with A12 (same sensor) full press time averaged .2sec whether a review image was showing or not camera in MF. I agree BJ, it is slow, but I'm more concerned with the X1's half press time of .219 sec since that is the way I use my digital compact cameras generally speaking. I'll be honest though... if I get this camera and the shutter lag is too much, I will not make excuses for it and I will sell it or return it immediately. I can put up with relatively slow auto focus, fixed lenses, the high price... but I can't stand a huge shutter lag. I'm hoping I'm ok with the half press speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 5, 2010 Share #44 Posted February 5, 2010 There are times I use a 1/2 press where I am watching a scene and I know that I want to capture a picture of what is happening and I am just waiting for the opportunity; however, there are those times when I suddenly see an opportunity and there is no time to AF, hold the AF with a 1/2 press and then shoot. For those situations you need a responsive camera and the snap MF mode and no shutter lag on a full press are indispensable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 5, 2010 Share #45 Posted February 5, 2010 There are times I use a 1/2 press where I am watching a scene and I know that I want to capture a picture of what is happening and I am just waiting for the opportunity; however, there are those times when I suddenly see an opportunity and there is no time to AF, hold the AF with a 1/2 press and then shoot. For those situations you need a responsive camera and the snap MF mode and no shutter lag on a full press are indispensable. I agree... but in those times, I generally do something wrong even with an M8 zone focused...ok, maybe not, but I'm a slow, methodical type of photographer that photographs mostly static scenes and objects. People are generally just incidental in my photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted February 5, 2010 Share #46 Posted February 5, 2010 Ok, that makes sense. For me it is about the people and the rest are stage props (in a sense). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted February 5, 2010 Share #47 Posted February 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Although I am not particularly interested in the anwser are there any cameras that are faster than the X1 and how about the M8, M8c, M8u, M8.2, M8.3=M9? I have never had a faster camera than the M8 but I have not done any extensive research either. The primary question for the X1 is how it performs without any auto anything (nightclub mode) and how it performs in AF on a well lit day (beach mode). Anyway I am starting to get interested in the X1 as a second camera next to the M8, it looks OK to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markpsf Posted February 6, 2010 Share #48 Posted February 6, 2010 Although I am not particularly interested in the anwser are there any cameras that are faster than the X1 and how about the M8, M8c, M8u, M8.2, M8.3=M9? I have never had a faster camera than the M8 but I have not done any extensive research either. The primary question for the X1 is how it performs without any auto anything (nightclub mode) and how it performs in AF on a well lit day (beach mode).Anyway I am starting to get interested in the X1 as a second camera next to the M8, it looks OK to me. I can't speak to the Leicas but there are many many cameras that are faster. The Panny GF1, as has been noted a number of times, is one. Even on a bright day its AF will beat the X1. But everything is a tradeoff, always. At its best, with the right photographer who knows the camera well, the X1 will produce better photos (color, sharpness, noise, particularly at higher ISOs) than the GF1. But it clearly would be easier to use the GF1 for fast shooting and good photographers are doing nice work with it. Not making a pitch for either camera. I'm with JS on this one. Will get it and give it a test run, then decide. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic108 Posted February 6, 2010 Share #49 Posted February 6, 2010 I've thought about getting the X1 as a backup for my M8 but have now decided against it. The ergonomics are just too different. I will probably get an M9 or another M8. Actually the M8 seems to be quite good value now if one already owns Leica glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 6, 2010 Share #50 Posted February 6, 2010 My Olympus E-P1 is kind of slow and hunts forever in the dark. True, the manual focus may be implemented better, but still... I doubt the X1 is going to be worse AF wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted February 6, 2010 Share #51 Posted February 6, 2010 I've missed plenty of shots over the years, most of the time cause could be tracked down to user error. I don't think I'm a better or worse person for it. I should spend more time enjoying the photo's I do have on line, in albums, in shoe boxes. If the X1 is as fun to use as the few actual owners indicate, I'll certainly keep the camera. If not, I'll find another home for it. In fact, I adopted my M8 from someone. Most times I get a few satisfying shots but sometimes I miss a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 6, 2010 Share #52 Posted February 6, 2010 M8/M9 were always good cameras. A good complement for those would be the GF1, for macro/long lens The X1 is good only if it's not so slow, or something can be fixed within firmware. Still, it has its advantages: compact, light, great IQ, good in the dark and silent. I just don't get it why they had to make it so slow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share #53 Posted February 10, 2010 I followed up the review with my experiences photographing the local market in Moscow, something I've done before using an M8. So I was able to compare the work pattern. It's a work in progress: when I have enough images from the X1 I may even be able to draw firm conclusions about the possibilities and limitations of the two cameras. I got a bit more insight into focus options (including my honest struggle with them!) white balance, user profiles and lens quality, so far as anyone can tell from my images Money Circus Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damnsharp Posted February 11, 2010 Share #54 Posted February 11, 2010 Hi markgay, nice too read your experiences with the X1 and see the different pictures you've made. One website tip, let a picture open in a different window. Do you use a VF with the X1? When yes, which one and what do you think of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share #55 Posted February 11, 2010 Hi DS, I haven't used an external VF yet, but humour impels me to try the Frankenfinder on it . Leica's dedicated X1 VF may be fine, though I wear glasses so I'm looking for a Voightlaender 28/35 mini-finder. Regards, Mark Thanks for the tip. I'll find out how make the images open in separate windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 11, 2010 Share #56 Posted February 11, 2010 How will you focus with a CV finder? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted February 11, 2010 Share #57 Posted February 11, 2010 How will you focus with a CV finder? Just curious. These people don't understand the mechanisms of pre-ww2 viewfinders. They don't know the benefits of those and the drawbacks........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share #58 Posted February 11, 2010 How will you focus with a CV finder? Just curious. There's a small green focus confirmation light to the right of the hot shoe. However, for that to work, you've got to find the focus option that works with the subject, or use manual. Manual, as I keep banging on about, would work well if Leica turned the AF/MF button into a toggle switch. You'd get focus with AF, then fix it for the duration of the sequence - just as you do with rangefinder photography. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 11, 2010 Share #59 Posted February 11, 2010 There's a small green focus confirmation light to the right of the hot shoe... Thank you Mark. So can you see the green light when using the external finder or do you need to move your eye out of the finder to see it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted February 11, 2010 Share #60 Posted February 11, 2010 you can see the green light without moving your eye away from the finder.. andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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