Manolo Laguillo Posted January 22, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Attached you will find a view from my M8's back (made qith a D-Lux 4, BTW). I hope you will notice that the joystick is a little bit rotated, I mean, it is not exactly vertical. Does some of you know the explanation? Shall I ask the dealer? Any advice will be welcome. Thank you very much in advance! Manolo Laguillo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110349-joystick-on-back-slightly-rotated/?do=findComment&comment=1196515'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 Hi Manolo Laguillo, Take a look here Joystick on back slightly rotated. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted January 22, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 22, 2010 If it were my camera and if it functions correctly, I couldn't care less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted January 22, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 22, 2010 I think that that might be 'standard'. I've just checked my M8, and it appears to be the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandmike Posted January 22, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 22, 2010 Mine too! Wish I hadn't read this thread as I would not have spotted it and now it will annoy me like crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 22, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 22, 2010 Manolo, The joystick is straight. It's your M8 that's crooked. (Mine's the same.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted January 22, 2010 ...please excuse me for making you feel nervous... Everything works fine, so I don't have to worry. My speciality is architecture, and I'm spoiled: I do have a bubble level incorporated, it's sort of second nature... Thank you very much for your answers! This is a great forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted January 22, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder if this design feature has been carried over to the M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 22, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 22, 2010 It is ergonomic. The direction of the arrwos follows the rotation of your thumb when using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted January 22, 2010 I realized the joystick was not perfectly horizontal when I compared my M8 with the official picture of it in a Leica publication (you know, 1:1 scale). Actually, this rotation adds a certain amount of ergonomics to the handling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miklosphoto Posted January 23, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2010 I would not say this is normal. I have had 4 M8s so far, and only one of those had the same misaligned joystick. I returned that M8 but not because of the joystick but other issues. If your M8 is new, from the dealer I would exchange it. Not because of this would not let you take photos with it but because some day you might want to sell it and your potential buyers might be picky about this issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speenth Posted January 23, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 23, 2010 Manolo, I'd be more worried about those strange red line artefacts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted January 23, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 23, 2010 Manolo, I'd be more worried about those strange red line artefacts. :D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted January 23, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 23, 2010 I certainly wouldn't think about returning a camera because of this. As far as I am aware, this is the first time it's been mentioned in the forum, (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here.) and has absolutely no effect upon the functioning of the camera. It may even be intended to be this way, as Jaap suggested, or at worst is down to slight manufacturing sample variation. At least some of the pictures of M8 and M8.2 cameras on the Leica website appear to have the same slightly angled control pad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted January 23, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 23, 2010 if, as someone that likes things squared up and true, you find it annoying..send it back to leica with your diagram for reference to straighten it. it's justifiable if you think there's a fault. you're right, it's not square Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted January 24, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 24, 2010 I have not noticed this before, but the same 'slightly rotated wheel is on my M8 too. I think we have to conclude that this is 'normal'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 25, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2010 Not really - I had a good look at both my M8s just now - both dials are rotated ever so slightly - in the other direction! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
proenca Posted January 25, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 25, 2010 I was found by the wife doing funny things to my M8 with a ruler and a prism because of this post.... And by the way, my joystick is perfectly aligned ( mine is a M8 "normal", chrome ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 26, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 26, 2010 ...please excuse me for making you feel nervous...Everything works fine, so I don't have to worry. My speciality is architecture, and I'm spoiled: I do have a bubble level incorporated, it's sort of second nature... Thank you very much for your answers! This is a great forum! Manolo, I work with die casting tools, I think in 0.01mm in standard, feel 0.05mm gap differences with my fingertips and get annoyed by out of angle adjustments. People, who deal with me on this basis daily think, I am the most annoying, never satisfied person and at least slightly crazy with my view on all things mechanical. I have only one tip for you: Relax and use the camera - it is working! Every used thought on the misaligned finish of a plastic button on the back of your digital camera is a waste of your precious time and just not worth it. I got an EPSON R-D1 a few months back. The "misalignments", fit, finish and quirks of this great little camera really have healed my spleen regarding photographic equipment ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted January 26, 2010 Author Share #19 Posted January 26, 2010 Thank you very much for your comments! Menos, I understand you very well! It can be a pain to live in this imperfect world if someone develops such a sensitivity for the smallest details... This is sort of paradox: for one side, without the attention to this miniscule dimension our world would not be possible, our high technical level is inextricabilly related with it, but on the other side we must forget it in order to live easier... My question, anyway, is because I do think, out of experience, that such misalignments are a symptom that something is wrong (ask a osteopath...): if it was centered when new, and now it is rotated, the question is: what happened inbetween? Mine was not an aesthetic concern (I don't care about the slight misalignment if the thing is OK), it was a purely practical doubt: I want the camera to work. Your answers are helpful because we all realize that the rotation is sort of normal: nothing happened inbetween, it was always rotated, from the very beginning, we can conclude. But, again, this is sort of a paradox: a Leica is a Leica, it's a high precision instrument born out from the german search of exactness, minimal tollerances, etc. We pay ridiculous amounts of money for having a couple of stops more in our lenses (Summilux, Summicron, Summarit, Elmarit), being the cheapest one already very expensive, lenses that are a fortune because all the know-how that is behind them. Such rotation of the joystick is, therefore, inacceptable from that point of view! It is a departure of the cartesian spirit (Descartes invented the x, y, z concept: 3 axes at 90 degrees...) that supports modern technology! It is a contradiction! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 26, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 26, 2010 I once visited the Morgan car factory as I had just bought a new Morgan. When I mentioned to the foreman that the gap between the bonnet and the wing was 1/2" wider on one side than the other, he just looked at me and said "You know what - they all have that this year" The joys of handmade products... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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