ppolla Posted January 15, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just got my M9...and this is probably the 20th shot with the camera.... Please tell me this is dust and not a sensor issue.... I took more shots and the "spots" are always in the same place, and more visible at higher f rate (smaller opening).... I tried looking at sensor but light was not great and I could not see much. If it is dust can it be true that Leica delivers new products like this, or have I attracted this dust by only one placing of my Cron 35? Thanks for your feedback. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsjxyz Posted January 15, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 15, 2010 99% are dusts, blow them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnastyboy Posted January 15, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 15, 2010 Stay cool man... it's dust... have it wet or dry cleaned. it will take around 4000 releases to allow the carbon shutter to settle congrats ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eritho Posted January 15, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 15, 2010 it will take around 4000 releases to allow the carbon shutter to settle congrats ! ????????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted January 15, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 15, 2010 Could be oil so be warned that you may need a specific cleaning solution that will work on grease or oil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted January 15, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 15, 2010 dust or oil specs. If you use -eventually you will- those swabs with the proper solution eclipse or other identical, please remember to swipe the sensor glass real light. Not that the glass could break, but if you press more than needed, the swabs will leave trails making things worse. Also only 1-2 drops of solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 15, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you took the photo with the lens stopped down it is dust. I think most of us have had it, or have it, and the only test is to stop the lens right down and point the camera at the sky. I agree it takes time for the dust/mechanism to settle. And the first time I cleaned my sensor I was very aggressive with a blower brush and both wet and dry cleaning to try and get all the dust out that had formed in the first few weeks of use, not just on the sensor, but all the way around inside the body. Its just stuff that comes from parts bedding in together. But it took a couple of goes to get rid of it all. Since my first clean I can still see a couple of spots I missed right at the frame edge, but apart from that I haven't had anything like the dust appear as I did in the first few weeks. I think a Rocket Blower is a good device if for nothing else it blows loose dust onto the sensor so you can remove it, but I don't think it really gets rid of dust off the sensor very well in itself. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 15, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 15, 2010 It's dust! . . . there, like everyone else, I told you. New cameras are always the worst, my older body has settled down nicely and needs very little cleaning. You WILL need to clean your sensor though - it's good to have a dry method for often (e.g. arctic butterfly), and a wet method for seldom. Better to do it right rather than risk any damage. Good Luck! All the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppolla Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted January 16, 2010 Well...I am afraid it is not dust... I just bought the arctic butterfly as well as the visible dust air blower and after performing the action 2 times there are no improvements. At the dealer where I bought the visible air products they told me to play with fluid but rather send the camera for cleaning to Leica. I am speechless...I haven't made 50 shots with the camera yet. Do you clean your sensor with the fluid and swabs? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 16, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 16, 2010 Well...I am afraid it is not dust... Do you clean your sensor with the fluid and swabs? It's still more than likely to be dust. You need to wet clean it. Dust is a fact of life with cameras that have interchangeable lenses. Most dust can be removed easily, but some is more stubborn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppolla Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted January 16, 2010 I used the arctic butterfly 700 dry method... Did do the wet one as they told me at the dealer not to do it as it can damage the sensor... This is the first dealer that actually didn't try to sell me something... Do you all use the wet cleaning method? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted January 16, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 16, 2010 I had to wet clean my M9 right after I got it and since then I have had no problems just having to use a rocket blower and very occasional arctic butterfly. This seems to be a fairly common problem with the M9 straight out of the box. the first time you do a wet clean it might be a bit frightening but it is in fact really easy as long as you follow instructions. I had to do a couple of passes and then all was fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppolla Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted January 16, 2010 I had to wet clean my M9 right after I got it, since then I have had no problems just having to use a rocket blower and very occasional arctic butterfly. This seems to be a fairly common problem with the M9 straight out of the box What did you use to wet clean it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 16, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 16, 2010 HI There If the arctic butterfly didn't work, then it's probably spots of lubricant from the shutter - again, common with new cameras (I've never had a Nikon or Leica camera that does not have them when new). Wet cleaning is scary - but if you're gentle and careful it's not too much of a problem - certainly worth doing. Make sure that you have a full battery! I use the Visible dust 1x swabs and their cleaning solution - two drops, one gentle sweep, only use a swab once. then an out of focus shot of a white sheet at f22 to check again. Don't try and get rid of every spot (you'll never do it!). I took my M9 when I went to Leica, and had it cla'd (it's been around the block already). She said that it was the dirtiest camera she'd seen . . . with the cleanest sensor. 6 weeks later and it needs to be cleaned again. If you haven't already sent it back, I would really try to do it yourself - just be gentle and it should be cooool. all the very best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppolla Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share #15 Posted January 16, 2010 Jono, what the name of the cleaning fluid you have from Visible dust? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 16, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 16, 2010 I use Photographic Solutions 'Eclipse' fluid and their sensor swabs P. Don't worry about this, its all very normal but the first time you clean a sensor it can be scary, but then you'll think 'what was there to worry about!' The Arctic Butterfly is a good device but it won't get rid of sticky dust or oil, so you need more than one cleaning method to be safe. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 16, 2010 Eclipse2 and sensor swabs. make sure to get the right size. First give it blow toremove lose grit, then two drops on the swab. Wipe lightly once in one direction, reverse the wab and lightly back again. Check and repeat as needed. I only had to do this once on my M9. After that I only blow it from time to time with the Rocket blower. It is ridiculous for dealer to suggest to send the camera to Solms for this. Either do this yourself as a service to the customer or explain how to do it and sell the stuff. If you really want to have somebody to clean it for you I suggest you contact Will van Manen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted January 16, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 16, 2010 If it is oil, not dust, the Arctic Butterfly may have been contaminated by the oil. So do not use it again for removing dust until you have cleaned the brush itself (Visible Dust sell cleaning tablets for this purpose). All a bit of a hassle but best to be careful and thorough. As everyone else has said, this is just part of owning digital cameras and perfectly normal. To get a perspective go back and look at how many dust marks there are on your film negatives -- you might be shocked Cheers Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSL Posted January 16, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 16, 2010 Eclipse2 and sensor swabs. make sure to get the right size. First give it blow toremove lose grit, then two drops on the swab. Wipe lightly once in one direction, reverse the wab and lightly back again. Check and repeat as needed. I only had to do this once on my M9. After that I only blow it from time to time with the Rocket blower. It is ridiculous for dealer to suggest to send the camera to Solms for this. Either do this yourself as a service to the customer or explain how to do it and sell the stuff. If you really want to have somebody to clean it for you I suggest you contact Will van Manen. Jaap, If you reverse the swab before you swipe in the opposite direction, you bring the dirty part of the swab back into contact with the sensor. A year or so ago I pointed this out to Photographic Solutions. They agreed that I was right and said they were going to change the instructions that come with the swabs. I don't know whether or not they've done that because I haven't had to buy swabs since then. By the way, I found that the best way to get my sensors really clean is to avoid the reverse swipe altogether. I now swab in one direction only and then toss the swab. Seems to make a significant difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 16, 2010 How so Russ? I don't doubt your word, but my limited brain insists that would be the clean side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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