jsjxyz Posted January 9, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Whenever I shoot inside shopping mall in Jakarta, M9 interprette the mix lightning wrongly. It becomes too green or too yellow. Need to take manual WB to nail it or to shoot DNG and fix it later with LR. Any tips? Or should I expect a better AWB like in M8 latest firmware? Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 9, 2010 Posted January 9, 2010 Hi jsjxyz, Take a look here AWB 1.002 is really bad. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted January 9, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2010 You don't use DNG:confused::eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggits Posted January 9, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 9, 2010 I don't think that any firmware update can handle the different kind of indoor lightning sources there exist. So setting manually WB would be essential if you don't want to spend a lot of time in LR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted January 9, 2010 I used 90% of my shoots in BW JPG and Color JPG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted January 9, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 9, 2010 Mixed lighting is not always fully mixed - it's multiple lighting... and the AWB result depends on where you point the camera. You can fix a manual reading on any part of the scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 9, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 9, 2010 If the lighting is mixed how _can_ the camera get the WB correct for two or more types of light source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted January 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) These are the samples: actually the lightning is not that difficult. The left is AWB set, the right one is manual white balance taken from a plate. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/109105-awb-1002-is-really-bad/?do=findComment&comment=1180515'>More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted January 9, 2010 even my Blackberry camera can nail the white balance in this instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 9, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 9, 2010 FWIW I think you are missing out on about $6500 worth of camera by shooting in jpeg only. DNG is your "negative" - jpeg is like shooting a one time "print." Fine if you are a photojournalist on a tight deadline but otherwise you are really missing out on the true potential of this very expensive camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 9, 2010 even my Blackberry camera can nail the white balance in this instance. No it can't. These are fluorescents that change colour temperature as they cycle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 9, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 9, 2010 even my Blackberry camera can nail the white balance in this instance. Why not just use the Blackberry and sell the Leica? Could be you'll find life's less frustrating... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neli Posted January 9, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 9, 2010 Whenever I shoot inside shopping mall in Jakarta, M9 interprette the mix lightning wrongly. It becomes too green or too yellow. Need to take manual WB to nail it or to shoot DNG and fix it later with LR. Any tips? Or should I expect a better AWB like in M8 latest firmware? Jerry I'm with you Jerry, I hope they fix it, it's been annoying the hell out of me, takes a lot of spontaneity out of shooting. And about DNG and fixing it. Yes, true, but I actually paid $8000 for the camera (here in Switzerland) so I'd have less fixing and more creating. Can anyone seriously argue that the AWB on the M9 is on par with other pro camera's? Don't get me wrong, I've been shooting it exclusively since I got it, my Nikon gear is gathering dust, but the AWB seems pretty bad. More to the point, is it something that can be fixed in FW or is it inherently a HW issue? Best Cornelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFV Posted January 9, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 9, 2010 AWB is a lost cause for me. Just don't care anymore. I end up fixing about 70% of the shots in LR anyway. It is like that on every digital camera I own and owned. Again, a lost cause... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 9, 2010 These are the samples:actually the lightning is not that difficult. The left is AWB set, the right one is manual white balance taken from a plate. So why don't you just use manual white balance taken from a plate as a standard:confused:. Leica plates have red dots that mess up the white balance, so use oem ones... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share #15 Posted January 10, 2010 So why don't you just use manual white balance taken from a plate as a standard:confused:. Leica plates have red dots that mess up the white balance, so use oem ones... Funny Jaap, But I just wondering why my Ricoh and Backberry can get the right AWB most of the time. I don't have my M8 with me right now (in solm), I think the latest firmware of M8 has better AWB algorithm than M9's 1.002 AWB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&A Posted January 10, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 10, 2010 The AWB with the latest firmware in the M8 runs circles around the current M9 (especially under certain types of tungsten lighting)....although like the early M8's, I expect this will change for the better in future firmware updates. Although I shoot DNG exclusively and it's easy enough to correct, when a "shoot" results in hundreds of files under different and changing lighting copnditions, it just makes it easier and is a real convienience when the AWB is in the ballpark (like current M8's). Dave (D&A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share #17 Posted January 10, 2010 I guess I have to get more shooting in DNG then hehe. I am not against the DNG, but my workflow used to import my cassual photo session directly to iPhoto. Which sometimes is cumbersome and to heavy if I download all the DNG instead of JPGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twom4 Posted January 10, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 10, 2010 Just send the DNG files to Brahm to fix the WB... He is free most of the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFV Posted January 10, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 10, 2010 The AWB with the latest firmware in the M8 runs circles around the current M9 (especially under certain types of tungsten lighting)....although like the early M8's, I expect this will change for the better in future firmware updates. Although I shoot DNG exclusively and it's easy enough to correct, when a "shoot" results in hundreds of files under different and changing lighting copnditions, it just makes it easier and is a real convienience when the AWB is in the ballpark (like current M8's). Dave (D&A) I did not what to say anything before (I have been bashing the M9 a litle too hard previously... ) but this is one of the first things that struck me on the M9. It actually reminded me of the first AWB in the M8 before the proper update. I suspect that maybe the problem lies with the better UV/IR filtering of the M9 so the same algorithms used on the M8 would not be the same on the M9. There are some experts here that could give a lesson or two in that respect but not me. jsjxyz: The issue, is of course, completely fixable with later updates so you should not worry. In any case If you get used to "developing" your film from DNG on Lightroom you will get much more rewarding results. I understand that it is a pain yet if once you shoot "the picture of your life" you really want it to be on DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted January 10, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 10, 2010 Considering the size of the files and the limited processing power (M8 and more so for the M9) I do not see why anyone would want to shoot jpeg or DNG+jpeg. Even on the M8 the slow down is way too much (for me). The only reason might be the in camera B&W jpeg which I quite like. Use DNG only and WB is a moot point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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