Guest roey Posted December 29, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have had my M9 for 6 weeks or so. Since then I have experienced at least a dozen times where the camera suddenly stopped working -- it just freezes up so that I had to remove the battery to get it working again. My old M8 used to do that occasionally with earlier firmware versions. The symptoms are usually that I notice that the little red light on the back isn't blinking when it is supposed to write the image to the card. When I then look through the viewfinder I often see the the shutter speed/exposure indication in the viewfinder filling up three dashes (almost like a progress bar in a computer program). After that nothing works anymore until I remove and reinsert the battery. I don't think I have ever seen this with the very first shot after turning the camera on, but I am pretty sure that it is not related to filling up the buffer. I shoot uncompressed DNG and am using new 8GB Sandisk Extreme 30 MB/s cards (which have proven to be problematic -- see this thread). In most cases the exposure that caused the problem is lost. I believe in some earlier instances a couple of the images made it to the card but showed signs of corruption -- but I am not 100% sure. Today when I experienced three hangs shortly after one another my battery was at 75 % charge, I was using a tripod with the release set to 2 sec timer, and it was approx. 32° F/0° C with high humidity. But I have also experienced this in warm and dry weather, with the soft shutter in single shot mode. Does anybody else have these problems? I'd like to understand what causes this, so that I can better work around this problem until there is a firmware fix for it. Thanks for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gwelland Posted December 29, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 29, 2009 The only freeze experience I've had has been if you mistakenly release the shutter with the lens cap on and turn off the camera mid shot - I've found that this needs a battery out reset afterwards. Luckily this isn't a common occurrence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 29, 2009 Sorry, Roey, my M9 hasn't done this once in over three months. Nor, I might add, my two M8 bodies in over three years. I use Sandisk 16 Gb Ultra II cards on my M9 and 4 Gb Sandisk cards of various kinds on my M8s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 29, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 29, 2009 The only freeze experience I've had has been if you mistakenly release the shutter with the lens cap on and turn off the camera mid shot - I've found that this needs a battery out reset afterwards. Luckily this isn't a common occurrence Whenever I do that with my M9 I simply turn the shutter speed dial off of the A setting, that lets me recover from this without a battery reset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 29, 2009 Yes that is right, I really got to get out of the M8 habit of swiching the camera off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 30, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 30, 2009 Nor, I might add, my two M8 bodies in over three years. With early firmware versions my M8 used to do that occasionally when I shot in quick succession. Later versions fixed that, but it came back in the latest version when I accidentally combined discreet shutter with continuous mode. I think what I am seeing with the M9 is different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted December 30, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the same symptoms with my M9. I found the Delkin E-Film Class-6 4GB card alleviated the problems. You may wish to try that. I also mentioned all the variations of cards and formatting approaches I tried to the west coast Leica representative, and he said to hold off on sending in the camera until after the new, imminent, firmware update is released. I also noted one more user who had our problem who did send in his camera, and received it back in 10 days with the "SD circuitry" replaced. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 30, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 30, 2009 I also mentioned all the variations of cards and formatting approaches I tried to the west coast Leica representative, and he said to hold off on sending in the camera until after the new, imminent, firmware update is released. That's what I am holding out for. What cards did you have the problem with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted December 30, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 30, 2009 Whenever I do that with my M9 I simply turn the shutter speed dial off of the A setting, that lets me recover from this without a battery reset. Aha! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonM Posted December 30, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 30, 2009 Whenever I do that with my M9 I simply turn the shutter speed dial off of the A setting, that lets me recover from this without a battery reset. Thanks so much. It's a pain to take the Luigi half case off when I go do a bonehead think like take a picture with the lens cap on. Too many years of SLR and DSLRs I guess. Never would have done that with my Rolleiflex 2.8 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neli Posted December 30, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 30, 2009 The only freeze experience I've had has been if you mistakenly release the shutter with the lens cap on and turn off the camera mid shot - I've found that this needs a battery out reset afterwards. Luckily this isn't a common occurrence that's the only one for me so far. 1 week 400 frames best nico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 30, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 30, 2009 I had a few freezes also, but usually because I turned it on and off and on consecutively. Camera gets confused and freezed. Obviously, this is not a common way to operate the camera ... my fault. Apart from this, all fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtaylor Posted December 31, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 31, 2009 The only freeze experience I've had has been if you mistakenly release the shutter with the lens cap on and turn off the camera mid shot - I've found that this needs a battery out reset afterwards. Luckily this isn't a common occurrence This is definitely the problem. Very repeatable. I've had it happen when I am going through the manual working out things....and the cap is on, and I hit the shutter. A pain, but not a real problem in a real life setting. Changing the speed dial off A did not work for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffp Posted April 30, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 30, 2010 I just took a few shots with my M9 (latest firmware). I wasn't shooting particularly rapidly, but the camera seemed to lock up with three dashes in the VF instead of the shutter speed. I switched the camera off and on again but the camera wouldn't work. After removing and replacing the battery, the camera indicated that there was no SD card (but there was). I removed and replaced the card and it was then recognised. The card in question is a Sandisk 16GB Ultra 2. I didn't just lose the shot I had taken prior to the lock-up, I also lost the entire set of shots I had taken on the same day (about 10). Has anyone else had similar problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted May 1, 2010 Share #15 Posted May 1, 2010 Maybe it was still writing from the buffer to the card and modifying the master file table and you interrupted it thereby destroying multiple files. Remember even if it's displaying the shot just taken, it takes about 4-5 seconds to fully write a file to the card in my experience. Take a few more shots and this time extends out until the buffer is full and the camera won't allow you take any more shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffp Posted May 1, 2010 Share #16 Posted May 1, 2010 Daniel Thanks for the reply - I would be a bit surprised if it was still busy at that time, as although I had taken a total of around 10 shots on the day, I had only taken maybe 3 shots over a period of a minute or two prior to this incident. There have been many occasions when I have taken far more shots in a much shorter space of time and not had to wait for the camera to stop processing. Of course, if this happens again, I will leave it for several minutes (if necessary) to make sure it has finished (or definitely locked up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted May 4, 2010 Share #17 Posted May 4, 2010 This is definitely the problem. Very repeatable. I've had it happen when I am going through the manual working out things....and the cap is on, and I hit the shutter. A pain, but not a real problem in a real life setting. Changing the speed dial off A did not work for me. Ditto, but it has not occurred again since I upgraded the firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 4, 2010 Share #18 Posted May 4, 2010 This bug was fixed in 1.116, and is on the list of bugs in the "readme" that accompanies the firmware on the Leica website. Several other hangups (for example, trying to erase a frame while it is zoomed ) are no longer hangups, and are also listed as fixed. Unless some new hangups are discovered, this thread should stay dead. If there are new hangups discovered, they deserve a new thread to be reported successfully. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelagia Posted January 20, 2012 Share #19 Posted January 20, 2012 It is more than 2 years since the original post, and I started experiencing exactly the same hangups. In cool weather (sensor temperature about 3 degrees C, as I see from EXIF), the camera hangs as described in OP. But what is interesting: it happens only with a third party battery, not with the original Leica battery. I tried various combinations with cards, batteries and settings, and I am sure the reason is the non-genuine battery. I suppose that at lower temperatures this battery miscommunicates with the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jneilt Posted January 20, 2012 Share #20 Posted January 20, 2012 That's what I am holding out for. What cards did you have the problem with? I have had this issue with an 8g sandisk extreme pro card. Running 1.162, new camera. My card was fried and shown as locked...tossed the card now use panasonic cards without issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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