stephengilbert Posted January 1, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Where does fanboy come from anyway?" I've never seen it used except on the internet with reference to Leica, but I'm sure it's used in similar contexts. It appears to be a somewhat derogatory variant of "fan," which derives from "fanatic;" Tim certainly seems to think so. I suspect it is meant to be insulting, but I don't recall anyone calling someone else a fanboy here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonM Posted January 1, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 1, 2010 From WIkipedia. Fanboy is a term originating in the United States[citation needed], used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or hobby within a given field. The earliest known recorded use is dated 1919.[5] Fanboy-ism is often prevalent in a field of products, brands or universe of characters where very few competitors (or enemies in fiction, such as comics) exist. An example is the market for CPUs for PCs, where AMD and Intel together hold a market share of 99.6% (as of Q1 2009)[6]. In this market, users of home computers realistically only have a choice between two brands, and hence, a fight over which is better easily ensues. In this field, an "Intel fanboy" prefers CPUs made by Intel, and might aggressively defend their supposed superiority compared to the other brand(s), be skeptical or in denial about negative reviews of the product, and exert a high level of brand loyalty. The same brand war ensues when comparing video card brands Nvidia and ATI, which together dominate the video card market. The term originated in comic book circles, to describe someone who was socially insecure and used comics as a shield from interaction, hence the disparaging connotations.[citation needed] Fanboys are often experts on minor details regarding their hobbies, such as continuity in fictional universes, and they take these details extremely seriously. The term itself is often used in a derogatory manner by less serious fans of the same material. Nevertheless, self-labeling usages of the term have been noted; in the songs of the fannish parody musician Luke Ski, many characters proudly consider themselves fanboys. The term is usually used by and applied to people in their teens or 20s; an age group which is typically found pursuing geeky hobbies obsessively. Within this group, common objects of deference for fanboys are TV shows, movies, anime, cars, video game consoles, video games, music, operating systems, trains, home computers (in earlier decades), MMORPGs, ISPs, software and computer hardware companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 1, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 1, 2010 Where does fanboy come from anyway? Tashey knows all denies he is one .............. maybe he is clever after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 1, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 1, 2010 Tim: "Just curious, does it ever occur to you (and others like you) that calling people you hardly know, if at all, 'fanboys' is a) just rude and therefore bad manners and indicative of a sense on your part that you are cleverer than other people ?? Tim" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve: "I love it that the term "fanboy" has achieved such a derogatory meaning that it's considered an insult. Tim, whether or not the post you objected to was rude, I think it's pretty clear that a fanboy or two has visited these threads. Pete's post doesn't necessarily suggest that he's cleverer than other all people, though perhaps it might suggest he's cleverer than some." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim: "It might indeed suggest that he thinks that! As always in these cases where someone decides to get all publicly judgemental of other peoples' interests in photographic equipment I found myself searching for examples of his photographic ouevre. Most interesting." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim, I am a self-confessed fan-boy of (in no particular order: Speed-Graphic Mini, Nikon D700, Digilux2, Rolleiflex, Screw-Mount Leicas, Pentax 6x7). If you think that I have been "rude and bad-mannered", or "cleverer than other people" by repeating a headline from a respected magazine, well, I apologise. Steve, I find it difficult to argue with your last sentence. Tim, You have chosen to spend the price of a new family car on a camera which may turn out to be, yet another, Leica blind alley; I therefore understand that you are feeling somewhat nervous (especially as one other early-adopter has on this forum explained why he has sent his S2 back). I have not cast any aspersion on your "photographic ouevre", principally because, forgive me, I cannot bring to mind a single photograph that you may have posted in the photo forums here, although I do vaguely recall that you took a stance about posting test shots only in the M8 forum. I'm really flattered that you have taken the time to search for examples of my photographic ouevre and that you found it "most interesting". You are in the fortunate position of owning what Leica believes to be a cutting edge tool; please let us see what it, and yourself, can do. You may have seen the very interesting correspondence in response to my Constructive Critique thread, please do post some shots in the photo forums, if you do not want critique just say so and we shall abide by your wishes. I'm genuinely interested to see what the S2 sensor can deliver, compared to "full frame" 35mm film-equiv solutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted January 1, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 1, 2010 I'm beginning to think Leica should spend a bit more on the technology and less on the marketing. The M9 has its problems, the X1 seems to as well and now the S2. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 1, 2010 Share #26 Posted January 1, 2010 The M9 has its problems, the X1 seems to as well and now the S2. Everything has problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc yyy Posted January 2, 2010 Share #27 Posted January 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where does fanboy come from anyway? http://tinyurl.com/yewx5y5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 2, 2010 Share #28 Posted January 2, 2010 Everything has problems. Indeed. What is somewhat scary though, for a company such as Leica, is the recurrence of these: no product from Leica in recent history has been less than plagued from QC problems and/or design & production problems. Check the M8 history, check the M9 early problems (the cracked filter on the sensor is a very good example of what I mean); the X1 & the S2 are way to new to the market to be able to say anything meaningful about their QC performance (and about their performance overall, for that matter), and I definitely hope they will be better than the M8/M9. However, what never ceases to surprise me is the level of tolerance that Leica users are ready to grant to a manufacturer, suck large slack would never be cut by Nikon users, Canon users, etc: again check the M8 history, or more recently check out how people in the M9 forum here, for instance, seem to be praising Leica's (relative) speed in fixing the cracked sensor problem while nobody seems to be outraged at the sensor crack itself, which seems to me to be quite a serious flaw for a digital camera, and something that should not, ever, happen to such a camera as the M9. Leica's tradition, Leica's name and - last but certainly not least - Leica's asked price should make sure cameras will not ship with such problems (even a camera costing 1/20 of that should not have such a problem, if you ask me). Just my .02, and I definitely hope the S2 & the X1 will fare better on the QC scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 2, 2010 Share #29 Posted January 2, 2010 Indeed. What is somewhat scary though, for a company such as Leica, is the recurrence of these: no product from Leica in recent history has been less than plagued from QC problems and/or design & production problems. Check the M8 history, check the M9 early problems (the cracked filter on the sensor is a very good example of what I mean); the X1 & the S2 are way to new to the market to be able to say anything meaningful about their QC performance (and about their performance overall, for that matter), and I definitely hope they will be better than the M8/M9. However, what never ceases to surprise me is the level of tolerance that Leica users are ready to grant to a manufacturer, suck large slack would never be cut by Nikon users, Canon users, etc: again check the M8 history, or more recently check out how people in the M9 forum here, for instance, seem to be praising Leica's (relative) speed in fixing the cracked sensor problem while nobody seems to be outraged at the sensor crack itself, which seems to me to be quite a serious flaw for a digital camera, and something that should not, ever, happen to such a camera as the M9. Leica's tradition, Leica's name and - last but certainly not least - Leica's asked price should make sure cameras will not ship with such problems (even a camera costing 1/20 of that should not have such a problem, if you ask me). Just my .02, and I definitely hope the S2 & the X1 will fare better on the QC scale. I too am absolutely astounded by the tolerant attitude of folks here to the dreadful catalogue of failures in recent products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted January 2, 2010 Share #30 Posted January 2, 2010 I am a ' M fanboy' but even my patience is wearing thin. Why do Leica release the M9 that does not work consistently with 90% of the SDHC cards that are on the market? Why does it take forever to format a card, when with the M8 it took about 5 seconds? Why do battery in - battery out problems go on and on? Why is the screen of such low resolution that one cannot check focus by zooming in? Why does zooming in take so long? Why cant the line of pixels problem be fixed in camera? Why do the shutter faults keep appearing? And now why the cracked cover glass on the camera? OK lets have a FW update to fix this stuff (not the crack of course) . But it should have all been picked up in beta testing and sorted before the M9 was ever sold. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 2, 2010 Share #31 Posted January 2, 2010 I too am absolutely astounded by the tolerant attitude of folks here to the dreadful catalogue of failures in recent products. Glad not to be alone... More, I am not exactly sure about how such a tolerant attitude will help Leica do better in the future; rather, I think that what such response from their customers do is to instill in Leica the feeling that people will buy their cameras no matter QC failures, design failures, etc. I am happy to be proven wrong on this, but the M9's problems coming despite the M8's ones (history repeating itself on rushed release of a product that could benefit from some more testing) doesn't reassure me much. The S2 suffers a bit of the same thing: comes on the market with 2 lenses only (!), no accessories, etc, and some early adopters did send it back already. Doesn't bode well for Leica, I am afraid, and while I wish them all possible good and hope they will be in business for a long time, I also think that a serious change in their release strategy is due. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2, 2010 Share #32 Posted January 2, 2010 Why?... Because you chose to be the first to suffer. You did not fear to order a new Leica body will full knowledge that there are always more or less flaws in new artisanal products like that. Did this, been there as well. Be thanked for this as you'll help less adventurous users to get a better body when teething issues are over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted January 2, 2010 Share #33 Posted January 2, 2010 Yep I chose to be an early adopter in the belief that Leica had finally got the M8 sorted out and would be so much more careful before they released the M9 for sale. Apparently not. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted January 7, 2010 Share #34 Posted January 7, 2010 I'm sorry I'm not eligible for membership in the S2 club, but as a wise old Taoist once wrote "who know's what's good or bad?" Don't worry, be happy... Congratulations to Leica. Now like Obama (winner of the Nobel Peace Prize) Leica has something to live up to. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/107999-s2-camera-of-the-year-according-to-pdn-cool/?do=findComment&comment=1177611'>More sharing options...
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