yanidel Posted December 14, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The great thing about the M9 is that now I have small fast wide angles (35mm Lux). The bad thing about the M9 is that now I need huge fast long lenses. On the M8 my favorite long lens was the 60mm Hex 1.2, that converted in a very fast and convenient 80mm 1.2. To replace it on the M9, I have tried both the 75mm Cron and 75mm Lux but both are more complicated to handle and their size makes them IMO more prone to camera shake (in quick street snapshots situations). Therefore I am going back to the 60mm Hex (fits perfectly the 50mm framelines at mid range). I feel it is ok to lose a few longer shots opportunities as ergonomy and added speed will get me more good ones overall with the Hexanon. Anybody going through the same process with their long lenses going from M8 to M9 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted December 14, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 14, 2009 Just crop the image! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 14, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 14, 2009 Ehh... If you crop the M9 image down to M8 dimensions, your lens will give you exactly the same field of view as on the M8 with the same number of pixels..... Edit: You beat me by the shutterlag of an M7 I see, James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted December 14, 2009 Ehh... If you crop the M9 image down to M8 dimensions, your lens will give you exactly the same field of view as on the M8 with the same number of pixels..... Edit: You beat me by the shutterlag of an M7 I see, James I think I recall from another thread that you said that perspective would be different Jaap, is that right ? Same lens, different distance from subject, no ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 14, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 14, 2009 Ehh... If you crop the M9 image down to M8 dimensions, your lens will give you exactly the same field of view as on the M8 with the same number of pixels..... Edit: You beat me by the shutterlag of an M7 I see, James Internet lag is much worse than shutterlag! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_lir Posted December 14, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 14, 2009 i miss my 75 lux being a 90. however i'm done with my m8's. i'd rather crop the m9 than use an m8 again! good riddance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted December 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand crop is a solution but really, buying a M9 to crop pictures is something I have a hard time envisioning for the moment. I hardly crop my pictures except for some horizon leveling but indeed shooting with the 60 Hex also brings the 50-75mm framelines, so I could get by this way. Will try to go over the mental block ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 14, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 14, 2009 Don't look at it as cropping. It is just using the M8 that lives inside your M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 14, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 14, 2009 I sort of know what you mean. I loved the 50 Summilux Pre-Asph on my M8. I liked the look of the lens as well as the focal length, which I guess was a bit shy of 70mm. And the 50mm framelines were quite nice. What was so hard to use about the 75 Summicron? It seems like an ideal solution for you since it's small and (I think) easy to handle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyTotaro Posted December 14, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 14, 2009 I recently bought a 90mm f2.8 tele-elmarit (German) for the m9. I thought the 90AA was too big and heavy although a great lens for sure. I like the quick focusing of the smaller lens. Mine needs to be coded and needs some focus adjustment too but I look forward to this lens on the M9. I tried a 75 Cron on the M8 but thought it was too long. I think the 90 is a good mate to the 50mm lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 14, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 14, 2009 I think I recall from another thread that you said that perspective would be different Jaap, is that right ? Same lens, different distance from subject, no ? Either walk to retain your subject size or crop to retain your field of view. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holgerf Posted December 14, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 14, 2009 Don't look at it as cropping. It is just using the M8 that lives inside your M9. This point of view is really spot on! Best Holger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 14, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 14, 2009 The great thing about the M9 is that now I have small fast wide angles (35mm Lux).The bad thing about the M9 is that now I need huge fast long lenses. On the M8 my favorite long lens was the 60mm Hex 1.2, that converted in a very fast and convenient 80mm 1.2. To replace it on the M9, I have tried both the 75mm Cron and 75mm Lux but both are more complicated to handle and their size makes them IMO more prone to camera shake (in quick street snapshots situations). Therefore I am going back to the 60mm Hex (fits perfectly the 50mm framelines at mid range). I feel it is ok to lose a few longer shots opportunities as ergonomy and added speed will get me more good ones overall with the Hexanon. Anybody going through the same process with their long lenses going from M8 to M9 ? I'm carrying a small m4/3 body with me, the Olympus EP-1 and M adapter, in case I need longer tele performance. No heavier than a flash, no bigger than a flash, it gives IS with M lenses which is useful for tele's, and the 2x crop factor means the 90mm becomes a 180mm, and 135 a useful 270mm. IQ is excellent. I do use it on a tripod though, so for me the IS is irrelevent. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 14, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 14, 2009 I have a very strong suspiscion that an M9 image cropped 2x will give a considerably better image quality than a 4/3rds image at full size. I could compare something similar by using the DMR and a 4/3rds with the same R lens. The result: the 4/3rds: quite good, even excellent compared to some others, but the DMR cropped? - No contest. And the DMR is just 10 Mp, as opposed to 18 of the M9.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 14, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 14, 2009 I have a very strong suspiscion that an M9 image cropped 2x will give a considerably better image quality than a 4/3rds image at full size. And I think you would be considerably surprised, I doubt any average viewer just looking at the photograph and not pixel peeping could tell the difference in image quality between the two up to a certain print size, say 12" x 16", in a random group of prints. But I'm not getting into a 'mine is bigger than yours' debate so have it your own way. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 14, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 14, 2009 Just reporting my experience, as you are...I have nothing against 4/3rds, why would I carry such a backup to my DMR otherwise ? As you aparrently carry one to your M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #17 Posted December 14, 2009 What was so hard to use bout the 75 Summicron? It seems like an ideal solution for you since it's small and (I think) easy to handle. The 75 Cron is one of these lenses where my fingers just can't find a stable handle. Maybe it is just an impression but its length plus relative thinness make me have a tough time holding tight, especially in portrait scenes. I get a lot more camera shake then with the Hexanon. Also, compared to the 60mm Hex, it is 1.5 stops slower so in some conditions I just can't get enough speed as I'd like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 14, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 14, 2009 Basic fact: yes, the M9 requires bigger hunks of glass to achieve the same crop, field of view, shooting position, and lens speed as the M8 - in the range above 35mm. Assuming that one bought the M9 to get the full use of 18 Mpixels and wants to use the provided framelines and not guesstimate what the framing will be cropped. OTOH I started out with the 24 x 36 image area, on film, so I was never fully comfortable with the in-between effective focal lengths on the M8. I'm glad to have back my "real" 75 (fast) and 90 TE (tiny). And I'm ecstatic to have back my 35 f/1.4 (pre-ASPH - smaller than a 28 f/2, let alone the 24 f/1.4 required on the M8 for the same rough FoV and aperture) and 21 f/2.8 (bigger than the c/v 15, but 2 stops faster). I do kinda miss the 135mm as a "180" - but since I had to estimate framing with that on the M8 anyway, it is no greater hardship to do the same on the M9, if I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 14, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 14, 2009 Don't get me wrong, I MUCH prefer the full-frame camera and the fact that my 28 and 35mm lenses can be used to their full potential. It's just a curious side effect that now we've lost a few lens possibilities on the long side. But for me, and many others I suspect, wide/normal lenses are the main reason to use an M kit so it's a minor problem. Even though I preferred the 50 on the M8 (which, actually being a 52mm lens worked out to a hair shy of 70mm), I'm leaning towards the 90 for the M9. I much prefer the 90mm framelines and I'm finding myself preferring the slightly longer focal length. Yanidel--I definitely see what you mean about the lens speed. I guess the 75 'Lux didn't work out either? It is a large lens, I had one back in my film days and sold it since it never saw any use and (at the time) I didn't like the focal length or framelines. I always had trouble composing with the corner-mark 75mm framelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 14, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 14, 2009 If you think a 75mm Lux is big, try to imagine the size of a 90mm Lux. I understand the compromise Leica made with this lens, and to my taste it's a very good lens. Great for a two lens evening/indoor kit (24mm Lux & 75mm Lux). When I use my M8 (not very often anymore), I mostly used my Noctilux F1, the 75mm on my M9 has taken over (for the most part). 90mm and above on the M8 for me is unusable (mostly camera shake), on the M9, I have been able to go up to 135mm hand held (combination FF & higher ISO), though 135mm is borderline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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