novice9 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone else find it quite surprising that Leica hasn't released a single firmware update given the extent of the problems in the original release? Personally, while I love the camera, I do find it odd that they would not correct some of the basic failings like playback magnification, sd card weirdness, etc. So how long will it take? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 10, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 10, 2009 Hmmm.. The way you formulate makes the camera sound virtually unusable - nothing could be more wrong. The firmware? When it is ready. Sometime between Christmas and Easter I should think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 10, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 10, 2009 Does anyone else find it quite surprising that Leica hasn't released a single firmware update... Nope. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 10, 2009 .... So how long will it take? Perhaps tomorrow, perhaps next March, or May? I am missing the point of a discussion about this. When the update is there and if it is good, it's good. When it does not fulfill the expectations, it's bad. This would be a starting point for a discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 10, 2009 Look, the M9 is a great camera but there are some flaws that can (hopefully) be addressed in firmware. I do think Leica should at least make a statement to let us know which problems they are aware of and working on and a rough time frame for when we can expect a new update. I would think the first FW update should fix the most pressing problems and those that are obvious bugs as opposed to performance enhancements, which could take longer to figure out. The red edge (even with coded Leica lenses), the problem with choosing user profiles that include saturation settings, the hang-up with delete all--these are all bugs that need to be addressed asap. I would love faster previews and zooms, a B&W preview when shooting DNG only, a software keylock, faster processing in general, optimization for using faster SD cards, etc. But these are all enhancements and I would expect they may take more time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice9 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted December 10, 2009 I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. Even more, the level of tolerance of basic failings that would never be accepted from a broad user base of a japanese product is just remarkable. To say my initial question suggests the camera is next to unusable is akin to paranoia. That's clearly not what the question says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 10, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. .... Now imagine all 50.000 members of this Forum unanimously came to the conclusion, that the update would be released on 12/21/2009, 2:14p.m. Would this change anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 10, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 10, 2009 I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. Even more, the level of tolerance of basic failings that would never be accepted from a broad user base of a japanese product is just remarkable. To say my initial question suggests the camera is next to unusable is akin to paranoia. That's clearly not what the question says. That is exactly what the question implies. The rhetorical style used in your original post encourages the type of responses that you have received so far. I am "surprised" that you find it "unbelievable" - interesting use of hyperbole there. Just to remind you, you said: Does anyone else find it quite surprising that Leica hasn't released a single firmware update given the extent of the problems in the original release? Personally, while I love the camera, I do find it odd that they would not correct some of the basic failings like playback magnification, sd card weirdness, etc. So how long will it take? No, I am neither surprised nor bothered. There seem to be an increasingly large number of people getting good results. Maybe it's because I have some understanding of the amount of work involved in specifying, building, testing a software release. I would rather have it right than rapid. This thread adds nothing. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 10, 2009 Last time I went to my dealer he told me that a firmware update was expected end of November, early December. It has not happened yet so maybe it got delayed. Anyways, no reason to lose sleep as the camera is already a great one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 10, 2009 I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. Even more, the level of tolerance of basic failings that would never be accepted from a broad user base of a japanese product is just remarkable. To say my initial question suggests the camera is next to unusable is akin to paranoia. That's clearly not what the question says. I fear you have missed the meaning my post. I said nothing about the need for an update - there clearly is. I objected to the use of unbased and charged language. Like you are using in this post again. Or would you care to justify the use of phrases like "the extent of the problems" and "basic failings"? Or calling an objection to your style "akin to paranoia"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted December 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 10, 2009 I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. Even more, the level of tolerance of basic failings that would never be accepted from a broad user base of a japanese product is just remarkable. To say my initial question suggests the camera is next to unusable is akin to paranoia. That's clearly not what the question says. I am afraid that I agree with you. Forum members accept what Leica give them and do not like anyone who suggests that improvement is possible and desirable for such a great camera. My personal view is that if Leica do not change their attitude towards fixing the firmware issues, and changing their attitude towards excessive pricing for their products and accessories they will lose the momentum that they have achieved with the M9. I used to own a Triumph TR6 car that had a two year waiting list when I bought it and British Leyland thought that they had hit gold dust... a few years later this was no longer the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 10, 2009 I do think this type of complaint implies that leica is not working on a FW update. I would bet anything they are sweating bullets over it, but won't release it until it's right, otherwise they'll have to suffer even more hyperbole. I'm married to a German woman, spent quite a bit of time there, and have done photo shoots for German companies in the past. I'm sure I'm generalizing here, but it is a culture that doesn't readily admit mistakes easily. I don't mean this as some sort of ethnic slur, it's just the way it is, for better or worse. That doesn't mean they won't try and make good on what's wrong, it's just that dirty laundry isn't aired in public, so to speak. Frustrating for us Americans, where dirty laundry is aired 24/7 for all. So I seriously doubt Leica would ever come out and say that the M9 is a flawed product and won't be right until their software developers finish up the next update. So, patience, Grasshopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 10, 2009 You don't like them taking their time to do it right, Frank. You clearly prefer quick and dirty... And it was the TR 7 and TR8 that killed off Triumph, not the TR6. Please get your facts straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroma project Posted December 10, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 10, 2009 I find it unbelievable how defensive of Leica this community is. Even more, the level of tolerance of basic failings that would never be accepted from a broad user base of a japanese product is just remarkable. To say my initial question suggests the camera is next to unusable is akin to paranoia. That's clearly not what the question says. Leica will improve the M9, when they have delivered all the ordered units. not a day before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted December 10, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 10, 2009 Leica will improve the M9, when they have delivered all the ordered units. not a day before. Also sprach Zarathustra. Cheers, Ario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 10, 2009 Also sprach Zarathustra.Cheers, Ario Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 10, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 10, 2009 I am afraid that I agree with you. Forum members accept what Leica give them and do not like anyone who suggests that improvement is possible and desirable for such a great camera. My personal view is that if Leica do not change their attitude towards fixing the firmware issues, and changing their attitude towards excessive pricing for their products and accessories they will lose the momentum that they have achieved with the M9. ... What are the consequences of your view? Should we assume that Leica will not now nor ever release a firmware update and critize them because of this? We could try to do this, though I hope that Leica will prove the whole discussion as being totally void in due time. Or should we critizise them for releasing the M9 too early without fixing the bugs before they brought it to the market? When I look in this Forum and read so many postings of people who complain about having to wait for a M9 for the horrible time of about 2 to 3 months, I cannot see that such a point of view will be up to the demand of many. Let's wait until the update comes - the earlier the better, and the more bugs fixed the better. I am using the 3.8/18mm with the M8 since July and it shows the well known "red shift"issue. So I am waiting for an update which solves it for the M8 as well and for longer than the M9-users. Let's discuss about it after we have seen the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman Posted December 10, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 10, 2009 Now imagine all 50.000 members of this Forum unanimously came to the conclusion, that the update would be released on 12/21/2009, 2:14p.m. Would this change anything? I misread the setence as "all 50.000 members of this Forum unanimously came to the conclusion" and asked myself "Did I miss the meeting AGAIN"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 10, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 10, 2009 {snipped}So I seriously doubt Leica would ever come out and say that the M9 is a flawed product and won't be right until their software developers finish up the next update. So, patience, Grasshopper. And just to put this in perspective, neither Canon nor Nikon admit errors until they have a fix ready, in my exeperience. Look how long it took Canon to admit to the fundamental auto-focus issue with their pro cameras! Leica is not particularly mum on the subject of improvements or firmware releases. If anything, I've found them, over the years, to be more forthcoming than their Japanese counterparts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted December 10, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 10, 2009 Which Japanese counterparts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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