intex Posted November 19, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I ordered an M9 approx 2 months + ago, and was told that I would get it by Oct 10th. Then delayed to Nov. 1st, now I have been told Leica is delaying shipments to Feb/March 2010. Can this be right? This is from a larger Leica store, so I am wondering what is going on, since I am at the head of the line there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glasscain Posted November 19, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 19, 2009 My original estimate was November for a grey M9, and that has now been changed to the end of December. I sure hope it doesn't slip again! I can't take this forever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted November 19, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 19, 2009 is it a second delay- or just one long extended delay? I am getting the feeling that my camera will not ship this year at all. I was told end of October... and am still waiting. It is starting to piss me off... Leica announced on 09/09/09 that the m9 would be available as of that date, 'at your local dealer'. Personally I think Leica should reveal if there is a problem, what it is and when they expect to fix it. To me bad news is better than no news. If I have to wait a reason makes it easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasscain Posted November 19, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 19, 2009 I couldn't agree more. A few months is one thing (but still not good), but if it's up around 5-6 months of waiting, that's just nuts! is it a second delay- or just one long extended delay? I am getting the feeling that my camera will not ship this year at all. I was told end of October... and am still waiting. It is starting to piss me off... Leica announced on 09/09/09 that the m9 would be available as of that date, 'at your local dealer'. Personally I think Leica should reveal if there is a problem, what it is and when they expect to fix it. To me bad news is better than no news. If I have to wait a reason makes it easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted November 19, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 19, 2009 Wow, that would drive me nuts. Easy for me to sit here because I have mine; however, I am not patient about these sort of things. I feel for you. Maybe your dealer is misinformed? Have you checked with other dealers? Good Luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted November 19, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 19, 2009 The assemblers and testers are off to an early Christmas break. They have been working too hard ... See u next year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted November 19, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) You see, I tink this is where Leica goofed (again.) After the hype of the initial announcement and the marketing flash of 09/09/09 or whatever, many people were so excited that they were ready to order an M9 right away, believing that they would get it quickly. Then, the first news of back orders came, and there was some disappointment. People started wondering. Then it became clear that Leica were not ready at all to ship any significant numbers of M9s. Disappointment gave way to frustration, and then anger. But, worst of all, it gave people ample time to reflect, to think again, and to realize that their M8 is not so bad after all, and to wonder if they really need an M9. I know it's my case. This must represent many lost sales. In other words, Leica were totally unable to take advantage of their own buzz. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. Their marketing people must be mad at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photolandscape Posted November 19, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 19, 2009 Personally I think Leica should reveal if there is a problem, what it is and when they expect to fix it. To me bad news is better than no news. If I have to wait a reason makes it easier. I couldn't agree more, but that isn't how Leica operates. I'd be shocked if they offered any sort of explicit explanation about the delays, but I hope they prove me wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
work_permit Posted November 19, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 19, 2009 I know realistically I'm looking at spring or summer of next year for mine. I'm on only one wait list, and waited almost two months after the announcement before I put myself on it. I've considered putting myself on more lists, but decided to lay back and not worry about it. One day, when I least expect it, I'll get a call and get a full frame digital Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelico Posted November 19, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 19, 2009 I know the feeling, I was in that boat until yesterday. It looks like bigger dealers are getting one camera per week, so if you know your position on order list it can tell you when will you get it. There was no increase in production at all, Leica is making them at their pace and that’s it. But it seems that small dealers are getting cameras as well. If you didn’t pay deposit better check around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted November 19, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 19, 2009 I know the feeling, I was in that boat until yesterday. Same here, got my grey one yesterday. I was #1 on the list and the delivery date was in line with what a Leica rep told me at the Paris Photo Fair a month ago (I ordered 09/09) so I am not sure delays have slipped again. I think they are coming, slowly, one by one, no distinction between dealers. According to my dealer, there are 4000 orders and production is at 40 a day. So do the calculation based on your position on waiting list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 19, 2009 You see, I tink this is where Leica goofed (again.) After the hype of the initial announcement and the marketing flash of 09/09/09 or whatever, many people were so excited that they were ready to order an M9 right away, believing that they would get it quickly. Then, the first news of back orders came, and there was some disappointment. People started wondering. Then it became clear that Leica were not ready at all to ship any significant numbers of M9s. Disappointment gave way to frustration, and then anger. But, worst of all, it gave people ample time to reflect, to think again, and to realize that their M8 is not so bad after all, and to wonder if they really need an M9. I know it's my case. This must represent many lost sales. In other words, Leica were totally unable to take advantage of their own buzz. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. Their marketing people must be mad at them. Quite a number of marketing people must be mad then in many sectors. The list of tech items that come to the market and turn out to have a long wait for delivery is endless.. Supply on demand it is called nowadays and it goes through the whole supply chain. This is what happens when demand outstrips supply..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted November 19, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 19, 2009 Personally I think Leica should reveal if there is a problem, what it is and when they expect to fix it. To me bad news is better than no news. If I have to wait a reason makes it easier. I couldn't agree more, but that isn't how Leica operates. I'd be shocked if they offered any sort of explicit explanation about the delays, but I hope they prove me wrong. There is an explicit explanation, which is quite easy: Demand for the M9 is much bigger than Leica's capacity to build it. Period. If one looks at the data given here and elsewhere one might see that the waiting times is about 2 months - in some cases shorter. May be some dealers don't give their orders to Leica immediately, so this could lead to longer wainting for the customer. Dealers are unable to tell customers when they can expect their camera according to the lists , because many people are on more than one list, so no dealer knows which position on a list is a real customer and which one not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 19, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 19, 2009 FWIW, When the M7 came out, I waited about 2 months for mine. I had one of the first 6 into the UK. I had a similar experience with my LC-1. This is nothing new. Trouble is, today nobody has any patience. Use what you have in the meantime, and look forward to it in good grace. A few short months ago you didn't even know the M9 existed. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 19, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 19, 2009 There is an explicit explanation, which is quite easy: Demand for the M9 is much bigger than Leica's capacity to build it. Period. Actually, that's not all there was/is. A big part of the delay in the first 60 days following the announcement appears to have been related to the shortage of a critical part. I find the demand/ability-to-build conundrum entirely understandable, however hard it might be on us eager buyers. I waited months for my M8. I waited weeks for my D3. And I waited months for my Harley Road King. That's just the way it is when a much-in-demand product outstrips the ability of a manufacturer to build it. I don't blame Leica in the slightest for that. The only thing I would have suggested Leica do differently, had they asked me, would have been to officially communicate the issue of the parts shortage - and re-calibrated delivery expectations. I agree with the sentiments here that waiting is more tolerable when there is a good and understandable reason for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 19, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 19, 2009 That's just the way it is when a much-in-demand product outstrips the ability of a manufacturer to build it. I don't blame Leica in the slightest for that. The only thing I would have suggested Leica do differently, had they asked me, would have been to officially communicate the issue of the parts shortage - and re-calibrated delivery expectations. Entirely fair point, Jeff. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapebias Posted November 19, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 19, 2009 Keep cool, last week I had the opportunity to visit the factory in Solms, full tour. The M9 line was producing, and while I was standing there, several M9 Steel Gray left the line for packing! 50 a day they told me. Two third black, one third steel gray. The demand worldwide is just higher. Very impressive and also perfect service, they adjusted my M8 with the Lux 50 ASPH in half an hour. Was never that good before, dead on now from near to far. My M8 survived a drop to concrete floor and has a nick now. Still waiting for my M9 steel gray, but until then, my M8 is more than good enough. For those interested: A lens line produced Noctiluxes! No idea how many. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishblimp Posted November 19, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 19, 2009 I wonder what the reason for such delays is. I have my M9 already but I've read the rumor that they've had to revamp some LCD screens and whatnot. So obviously I start to wonder if my M9 is faulty and/or going to be. So I guess you could say that rumor and lack of explanation are a bit frustrating. Well so far so good (or great, really): no problems with my model. I guess that's what matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted November 19, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 19, 2009 But it's not as if Leica were one of those big corporations (Canon, Nikon, Panasonic...) who can afford some initial lost sales if there is a problem, and who have enough products and markets to offset a glitch on the distribution front of a particular item. Leica is a small outfit which has suceeded in opeing a big new market with the digital Ms. But they can't satisfy the demand. They are seemingly constantly on the verge of going bankrupt, and the M9 was supposed to be their life-saver. One error could be fatal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted November 19, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 19, 2009 But it's not as if Leica were one of those big corporations (Canon, Nikon, Panasonic...) who can afford some initial lost sales if there is a problem, and who have enough products and markets to offset a glitch on the distribution front of a particular item. Leica is a small outfit which has suceeded in opeing a big new market with the digital Ms. But they can't satisfy the demand. They are seemingly constantly on the verge of going bankrupt, and the M9 was supposed to be their life-saver. One error could be fatal. They own a niche, I doubt that so many people would actually cancel buying (besides maybe contemplating this in Internet forums)... - Have you heard of the Rolex Daytona some years back? BTW, the camera's really great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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