J Mitchum Posted November 18, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks like he peaked when he produced the Digilux 2:D To me the X1 is a high-end version of the D-Lux series. What I wouldn't give for a true Digilux 2 successor. Such a great camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peterb Posted November 18, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 18, 2009 Whether the price is too high or not, I think at the very least we can expect to see some very fine images on the digital image parts of this forum from able contributors who buy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 18, 2009 That's fascinating, Sean! Now I understand why the X1 appeals to me so much! Do you have his/her name? I'd have thought the Digilux 2 had a different designer from the D-Lucis, and wouldn't be surprised to learn that the X1 and Digilux 2 had the same designer. I've spoken with him quite a bit recently and I'll ask him if it is OK to publish his name. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 18, 2009 Hi Sean, No--I meant the overall shutter lag that Michael Reichmann reported on LL... (and I can't remember whether I read on LL or on your site that Leica was / had fixed this already). Cheers! Jamie You'd have to ask Michael about those results then, I guess. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #25 Posted November 18, 2009 Looks like he peaked when he produced the Digilux 2:D Ouch! I do not agree at all. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tategoi Posted November 18, 2009 Share #26 Posted November 18, 2009 If more people think US$2K is too dear for the X1, I guess it is not a bad thing at all. At least those willing to pay for it will have a greater chance of getting it at the launch. And given the M9 is all sold out, do you think the M9 is underpriced? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted November 18, 2009 Share #27 Posted November 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) To me the X1 is a high-end version of the D-Lux series. What I wouldn't give for a true Digilux 2 successor. Such a great camera. There is: The Lumix G1 (which in my opinion is close to what a D3 could have been sans lens). All it would need is a Leitz 14-45mm f2.0 AF lens for it. (There 's a 14-50 f2.8-3.5 zoom which needs an adapter and, alas, is manually focused.) But that ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, an X1 with a 24mm f2.0 Summicron...now THAT would be something. But, from what I've read in this most intriguing thread, I'll take the current camera as is: Great lens. Great output files. Low noise to 1600. (And I think B/W @ 3200 will have that romantic "Tri-X" look to it). Simple layout. Grip improves balance and handling I think. Nearly silent shutter. And you can sense AF lock while peering through the finder (which there are others besides Leitz own). AF slowness and shutter lag are not so much of an issue for me. I generally pre-focus and lock at the halfway mark on the shutter button (although the zone approach would be fine in bright light after metering). Experience with an LX-1 and a jury-rigged vf (Voigtlander finder with accessory shoe glued onto the top deck) helped a lot. Looking forward to January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #28 Posted November 18, 2009 To me the X1 is a high-end version of the D-Lux series. What I wouldn't give for a true Digilux 2 successor. Such a great camera. The successor was the Digilux 3. I'd have to reread my own review to refresh my memory but I'm not sure why that cameras wasn't more popular. Keys to the Digilux 2: high quality small sensor, high quality lens, external analog controls for focus, shutter speed and aperture. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #29 Posted November 18, 2009 The successor was the Digilux 3. I'd have to reread my own review to refresh my memory but I'm not sure why that cameras wasn't more popular. Keys to the Digilux 2: high quality small sensor, high quality lens, external analog controls for focus, shutter speed and aperture. Cheers, Sean Just re-read my own review of this camera to refresh my memory. The body is large and the kit lens is very large. But it seems like a Digilux 3 and 25/1.4 might be quite appealing to many. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 18, 2009 Share #30 Posted November 18, 2009 I've spoken with him quite a bit recently and I'll ask him if it is OK to publish his name. There may be political reasons not to, of course, and I respect your and his decision. Olympus folk tout the name of the great creator of the OM-1 et seq, and we know Barnack and Karbe. I was just thinking it would be nice to be able to know who designed such delightful apparatus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 18, 2009 Share #31 Posted November 18, 2009 There may be political reasons not to, of course, and I respect your and his decision. Olympus folk tout the name of the great creator of the OM-1 et seq, and we know Barnack and Karbe. I was just thinking it would be nice to be able to know who designed such delightful apparatus. Well, this thread already exists so I guess with very minimal detective work...<G> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/98854-x1-product-manager-japanese.html Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted November 18, 2009 Share #32 Posted November 18, 2009 In my film days I had a Contax TVS (I think) and a T3. Full frame, excellent lenses. Excellent quality. Very small package. T3 very pocketable, single FL (I think 35mm) TVS had a zoom, very portable, close to pocketable. The prices of those cameras were significantly higher than consumer grade P&S 35mm cameras, but still well in reach. That's the kind of thing I'd like to see in the digital world, not APS or smaller sensors. Give me 8 or 10 mp on a full frame and we can have a digital T3. I am assuming that at this moment the technology isn't quite there to get a full frame sensor into a T3 sized camera, and that if the technology exists it is still too expensive. But I can dream can't I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted November 18, 2009 Share #33 Posted November 18, 2009 In my film days I had a Contax TVS (I think) and a T3. Full frame, excellent lenses. Excellent quality. Very small package. T3 very pocketable, single FL (I think 35mm) TVS had a zoom, very portable, close to pocketable. The prices of those cameras were significantly higher than consumer grade P&S 35mm cameras, but still well in reach. That's the kind of thing I'd like to see in the digital world, not APS or smaller sensors. Give me 8 or 10 mp on a full frame and we can have a digital T3. I am assuming that at this moment the technology isn't quite there to get a full frame sensor into a T3 sized camera, and that if the technology exists it is still too expensive. But I can dream can't I? Would be interesting to bookmark this thread and come back to look at it in ten years' time. The stuff that will stay expensive is the glass; the electronics, sensors etc will in all probability be unimaginably cheap. So you may get your dream. And who knows what else! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted November 19, 2009 Share #34 Posted November 19, 2009 Glass may be superceded by lenses consisting of hundreds of layers of plastic, each with its own index of refraction. Last year, I came across a photography book (which I neglected to note on scrap paper) claiming that there were about 32 university-based research projects devoted to developing fundamentally better digital sensors, because NASA and the NSA find the present ones primitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 19, 2009 Share #35 Posted November 19, 2009 Well, this thread already exists so I guess with very minimal detective work... Thank you, sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhs1963 Posted January 5, 2010 Share #36 Posted January 5, 2010 Your comments about ring so true Dave,especially making life simple. I'm sure when i was young i craved a busy complicated life but now i try and slow things down and make my life simple. I see the complex lives my four children have and they enjoy it but........... i now prefer simple pleasures. Mmmmm hope the x1 really is a simple thing to use as it suggests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chkphoto Posted January 6, 2010 Share #37 Posted January 6, 2010 The successor was the Digilux 3. I'd have to reread my own review to refresh my memory but I'm not sure why that cameras wasn't more popular. EDIT Cheers, Sean I agree with Sean and wonder why the Digilux 3 wasn't more popular as well. I use it extensively to shoot corporate head shots and product. Apart from size, it has the most analogue controls of any digital camera I've used - its RAW files are very malleable - I get great results from 800 and 1600iso - Its size for me gives it a stable feel when shooting hand-held. It's built like a tank compared to similar DSLRs. And I use it for a great majority of my gallery prints. Not to hijack this thread but just my ode to that camera. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/104019-no-pun-intended-on-a-recently-posted-leica-x1-reviews/?do=findComment&comment=1177061'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2010 Share #38 Posted January 6, 2010 I've spoken with him quite a bit RECENTLY and I'll ask him if it is OK to publish his name. Cheers, Sean The designer(-s) talk to you already earlier would have been time spent well. A foto-scuderia without a test pilot? Questions like: "no proper MF wheel?" and "DNG w/o jpeg?" are undiplomatic and useless now. Top secrecy (also regarding the team members' names ) was fine for implementing a FF chip into the exact M8 body and staging the 9/9/09 coup. But for a red dot version of a cam, that was announced in Sept. 06 ?? That shows how difficult it still is 2009 to fit so much into such a small cam. And helps explain the price - and the success - of the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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