BRJR Posted November 17, 2009 Share #1  Posted November 17, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1. But, non-professional photographers, such as myself, would more than likely purchase and use the Leica X1, for the reasons presented in the "non-professional" hands-on review at this link (actually, the samples are quite nice, too):  Leica X1 Hands-on Preview - chanandrew.com  2. Frankly, the negatives pointed out by so called "professional(s)", so far, in comparing the X1 to other brands of cameras have no relationship as to why I (and, perhaps many thousands other consumers) would purchase a Leica X1, as a small, light-weight (always have in the pocket) camera, with a built-in Leica lens to simply use, for just taking pictures with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Hi BRJR, Take a look here No Pun Intended On A Recently Posted Leica X1 Review(s). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted November 17, 2009 Share #2 Â Posted November 17, 2009 Good stuff so it should be........ Leica made a camera that will please most people, maybe not the buggers here but so be it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 17, 2009 Share #3  Posted November 17, 2009 1. But, non-professional photographers, such as myself, would more than likely purchase and use the Leica X1, for the reasons presented in the "non-professional" hands-on review at this link (actually, the samples are quite nice, too):  Leica X1 Hands-on Preview - chanandrew.com  2. Frankly, the negatives pointed out by so called "professional(s)", so far, in comparing the X1 to other brands of cameras have no relationship as to why I (and, perhaps many thousands other consumers) would purchase a Leica X1, as a small, light-weight (always have in the pocket) camera, with a built-in Leica lens to simply use, for just taking pictures with.  Thanks for the link. A good review, professional or amateur, looks at strengths and weaknesses. Looking at just one side of the coin or the other is bound to be misleading. I believe this reviewer ends with his own list of pros and cons.  When reviews are discussed on the web however, its very common for people to overlook the strengths discussed in the article and instead focus intensively on the weaknesses. I've seen this happen all over the web for many years now - no matter what the review is. That just seems to be human nature on the web and there's not much one can do about it.  Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted November 17, 2009 Share #4 Â Posted November 17, 2009 very interesting .... i hope that L sells every X1 they can produce and that it generates tons of cash flow for them (they deserve and probably need it). it's ironic that this very unique, very minimalist, very expensive P&S design may attract a large non-pro market ! Â we here ARE too critical (and i am as bad as any) of what we expect from Leica, and what we get for $US2000. i am personally waiting until the X1 gets rev'd to perfection, but in the meantime i hope they sell like hot cakes and keep L going strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted November 17, 2009 Share #5 Â Posted November 17, 2009 I think when you consider the prices that Leica charges for its 'pursuit of perfection" (with apologies to the another two-syllabled, high-end company that begins with "L", Lexus) I think it's understandable certain demands are to be expected. And. despite evidence of many fine virtues highlighted in the X1 from initial reviews, it's not surprising that the grouse and disappointment factor in areas where the camera fell short would be high. Â Like bona fide claims of manufacture (made in Germany vs completed in Germany), AF that's on a par with similarly priced cameras, LCD's on a par with similarly priced cameras, shutter lag on a par with similarly priced cameras, weather sealing on a par with..(oh wait...they don't even provide that on their $7K cameras...never mind). Â Bottom line, when you charge what Leica charges for a compact camera, you have to accept that scrutiny will be as high as their legendary tolerances in their lens making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted November 17, 2009 Share #6 Â Posted November 17, 2009 If you got shakey hands, no problem the X1 has built-in image stabilization to solve the problem! Â Not true. I think that Sean Reid's review pointed out that the IS system works by taking a second exposure. Produces a marginal improvement and at least requires a tripod mount for decent results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted November 17, 2009 Share #7  Posted November 17, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) And. despite evidence of many fine virtues highlighted in the X1 from initial reviews, it's not surprising that the grouse and disappointment factor in areas where the camera fell short would be high. Like bona fide claims of manufacture (made in Germany vs completed in Germany), AF that's on a par with similarly priced cameras, LCD's on a par with similarly priced cameras, shutter lag on a par with similarly priced cameras, weather sealing on a par with..(oh wait...they don't even provide that on their $7K cameras...never mind). While it's a given that people are going to find reasons to grouse, I think the reasons you've picked out here are not justifiable grounds for grousing about the high price tag.  "Made in Germany v. 'completed' in Germany" - honestly, who cares, it won't affect the final build quality. We're not talking Chinese sweat shop labour.  AF - well as we've discovered in another thread, given that it's neither a rangefinder nor an SLR its AF speed will be limited by the refresh speed of the sensor they've chosen - and given that they've chosen Sony's big APS-C sensor that goes in cameras like the D300s then AF will necessarily be a bit slower. This is a straightforward trade-off and in my view it was clearly the way that the X1's designers had to go; the sensor size is a (the) big selling point. You pay less for a camera with faster AF *because* it has a smaller sensor.  LCD resolution - I can't lose sleep over this, I just don't see it as a big issue. Can people really tell the difference in resolution on screens of this size? Will it really affect their ability to take good pictures?  Shutter lag - well, as you say, it's on a par with the competition, and fast enough to be a non-issue with firmware v1.0.  The big price-tag is mostly for the large sensor and the high quality lens, and when you look around to see how much decent lenses and large sensor cameras cost, the X1's price doesn't seem that ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 17, 2009 Share #8  Posted November 17, 2009 I'd love to have one as a back up--plain and simple. You can never have too many backups on a job  The issues for me are: 1) reported shutter lag, which Leica is fixing with firmware 2) manual focus sloppiness; I'll have to try it to see if that's really a problem or not.  That's it. The lens looks great by comparison with others, though I have yet to see any kind of of comparative torture test (say against the pancake Panny or Oly lenses).  Flare is particularly of interest to me, since I like to shoot sometimes with strong back or side light and that's where most point and shoots (even the very good ones, like Canon's G series) just give up and cry uncle: they're useless under those (very normal) conditions. I expect a lot more from something with an Leica Elmarit name at this price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 17, 2009 Share #9  Posted November 17, 2009 Good stuff so it should be........ Leica made a camera that will please most people, maybe not the buggers here but so be it  That price tag is not going to please most people though... only buggers here would pay that kind of money for this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted November 17, 2009 Share #10 Â Posted November 17, 2009 That price tag is not going to please most people though... only buggers here would pay that kind of money for this... Â what about the mass of folks who are now tired of dragging their bags of big cameras and 3 large lenses and flashes and filters (say $2000 worth of stuff) around on vacations and bus tours and have got all that silliness out of their systems and seek a simpler life? .... trade-in time AND "move up to Leica " ... the X1 could be just what they are looking for !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 17, 2009 Share #11 Â Posted November 17, 2009 what about the mass of folks who are now tired of dragging their bags of big cameras and 3 large lenses and flashes and filters (say $2000 worth of stuff) around on vacations and bus tours and have got all that silliness out of their systems and seek a simpler life? .... trade-in time AND "move up to Leica " ... the X1 could be just what they are looking for !! Â I agree... I just don't think there is as much of a mass of those people anymore. The X1 is very much an old school photographer's digital camera and most normal users just won't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 17, 2009 Share #12  Posted November 17, 2009 Not true. I think that Sean Reid's review pointed out that the IS system works by taking a second exposure. Produces a marginal improvement and at least requires a tripod mount for decent results  Hi Marc,  Maybe that was the LL review.  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 17, 2009 Share #13  Posted November 17, 2009 I'd love to have one as a back up--plain and simple. You can never have too many backups on a job  The issues for me are: 1) reported shutter lag, which Leica is fixing with firmware  Hi Jamie,  You mean shutter lag when the review image is still displaying?  Cheers,  Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted November 17, 2009 Share #14 Â Posted November 17, 2009 what about the mass of folks who are now tired of dragging their bags of big cameras and 3 large lenses and flashes and filters (say $2000 worth of stuff) around on vacations and bus tours and have got all that silliness out of their systems and seek a simpler life? .... trade-in time AND "move up to Leica " ... the X1 could be just what they are looking for !! That describes me to a 'T'. Â ...well, apart from the 'bus tours'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted November 17, 2009 Share #15 Â Posted November 17, 2009 That describes me to a 'T'. Â 15 years ago that was me too (also aside from the bus tours). sold off boxloads of accessories, put the minoltas and nikons in a book case "collection", bought a konica hexar AF and my life got better. Â in 2004, bought the D2, put the hexar on the shelf and my life got even MUCH better ! Â the next major life-enhancing event is when i get the (perfected) X1 sometime in 2010. Â => i am thinking that there is a market of non-pro people out there continually going through that same thinking .... "simple is better, and i am now good enough to simplify my hardware, and i deserve a Leica." Â that market niche has X1 written all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 17, 2009 Share #16 Â Posted November 17, 2009 15 years ago that was me too (also aside from the bus tours).sold off boxloads of accessories, put the minoltas and nikons in a book case "collection", bought a konica hexar AF and my life got better. Â in 2004, bought the D2, put the hexar on the shelf and my life got even MUCH better ! Â the next major life-enhancing event is when i get the (perfected) X1 sometime in 2010. Â => i am thinking that there is a market of non-pro people out there continually going through that same thinking .... "simple is better, and i am now good enough to simplify my hardware, and i deserve a Leica." Â that market niche has X1 written all over it. Â Interestingly enough, the lead creator of the Digilux 2, D-Lux 2, etc. is also the primary person behind the X1. Â Cheers, Â Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 18, 2009 Share #17 Â Posted November 18, 2009 That's fascinating, Sean! Now I understand why the X1 appeals to me so much! Â Do you have his/her name? Â I'd have thought the Digilux 2 had a different designer from the D-Lucis, and wouldn't be surprised to learn that the X1 and Digilux 2 had the same designer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 18, 2009 Share #18  Posted November 18, 2009 Hi Jamie, You mean shutter lag when the review image is still displaying?  Cheers,  Sean  Hi Sean,  No--I meant the overall shutter lag that Michael Reichmann reported on LL... (and I can't remember whether I read on LL or on your site that Leica was / had fixed this already).  Cheers!  Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryliem Posted November 18, 2009 Share #19 Â Posted November 18, 2009 I am a simple person. I would like to have pocket camera, light weight, with large sensor, if possible full format sensor. (Just imagine, 35 mm film pocket camera) with superb quality of lens. So far right now only X1 match my spec. in the market. I will buy x1 in 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 18, 2009 Share #20 Â Posted November 18, 2009 Interestingly enough, the lead creator of the Digilux 2, D-Lux 2, etc. is also the primary person behind the X1. Looks like he peaked when he produced the Digilux 2:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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