Guest stnami Posted November 12, 2009 Share #141 Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry but I sorta hate flickr ( Irarely go there)so the link to flickr was because it was part of what I read and may have been useful to someone. Well that's it for me and the X1! crappy AF killed it for me ... it was such a cute dream , hope for a P&S 35mm all shattered and shatted will I ever get over it? f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 zero Yep .....................................next. Edited November 12, 2009 by stnami Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #142 Posted November 12, 2009 Well that's it for me and the X1! crappy AF killed it for me ... it was such a cute dream , hope for a P&S 35mm all shattered and shatted will I ever get over it? f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 zero Yep .....................................next. LOL! i was not going to rub that in, you know, and it was a pre-production model... but, yeah. it settled any lingering temptation... why can somebody not make a digital Hexar? sigh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted November 12, 2009 Share #143 Posted November 12, 2009 Sorry but I sorta hate flickr ( Irarely go there)so the link to flickr was because it was part of what I read and may have been useful to someone. Well that's it for me and the X1! crappy AF killed it for me ... it was such a cute dream , hope for a P&S 35mm all shattered and shatted will I ever get over it? f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 f8 zero Yep .....................................next. First time this forum saw you bullish on a red dot camera, and gone it is. GXR, maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #144 Posted November 12, 2009 First time this forum saw you bullish on a red dot camera, and gone it is. GXR, maybe? not to speak for Imants, but there was mention of AF issues on the Ricoh as well -- although the comments about the GXR were in regard to pre-production camera and lens, not just firmware as on the X1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 12, 2009 Share #145 Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) At this stage the Epson and the 28mm canon/ 35mm leica are trumps ........ not much out there that runs 800 and 1600 and is not a brick ( D90 and 85mm lens) atleast the epson is only a flattish brick. One has to entertain the ricoh the GF1 is only good for 800. I have a ricoh GR1 film that I use snap or infinity great little camera...........I am getting good at scanning despite my dislike of the process:eek: Edited November 12, 2009 by stnami Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted November 12, 2009 Share #146 Posted November 12, 2009 not to speak for Imants, but there was mention of AF issues on the Ricoh as well -- although the comments about the GXR were in regard to pre-production camera and lens, not just firmware as on the X1. Saw that. Let's hope they get the AF improved. But then there is the very useful snap mode on the Ricoh's, perfect for streetshooting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #147 Posted November 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) At this stage the Epson and the 28mm canon/ 35mm leica are trumps ........ not much out there that runs 800 and 1600 and is not a brick ( D90 and 85mm lens) atleast the epson is only a flattish brick. One has to entertain the ricoh the GF1 is only good for 800. I have a ricoh GR1 film that I use snap or infinity great little camera...........I am getting good at scanning despite my dislike of the process:eek: agree on the Epson, you know... not sold on the MFT, though. don't like the 2X crop no matter how fast it focuses. i suck at scanning but, like you, i may start getting better... saw the GR1 and fell a bit in love. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #148 Posted November 12, 2009 Saw that. Let's hope they get the AF improved. But then there is the very useful snap mode on the Ricoh's, perfect for streetshooting yes, i hope they do! in the meanwhile, the incremental control they've added to Snap focus is fantastic for street! my only question, honestly, is how well that works with a 50 and a larger sensor? it could still be brilliant, as i've shot that equivalent on my R-D1... and yet it will still have the ability to open up and take gorgeous portraits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 12, 2009 Share #149 Posted November 12, 2009 Mind you I got very good at the indecisive moment shooting with the D2 lag .......... but I am not sure that I want to shell out another two grand on that way of shooting. It's hard work but some great unexpected results Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #150 Posted November 12, 2009 Mind you I got very good at the indecisive moment shooting with the D2 lag .......... but I am not sure that I want to shell out another two grand on that way of shooting. It's hard work but some great unexpected results i do know what you mean... moi aussi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted November 12, 2009 Share #151 Posted November 12, 2009 How about a compact large sensor digital camera like an X1 but with an optical finder, a flash shoe that can be used for flash or to connect an off camera flash, a lens with a focus ring and shutter and aperture dials or rings ? Is it really that hard to do? AMEN! The reason why we are not getting what we want may be that the marketing people in most companies are probably much younger than both the Pentax Spotmatic and the Leicafelx SL. They've grown up with TV, computers, mobile phones and digital p&s cameras and probably have not the slightest idea what we are talking about and dreaming of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 12, 2009 Share #152 Posted November 12, 2009 moi aussi that's French for oi aussie! and then you take the photo.... an old downunder trick Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 12, 2009 Share #153 Posted November 12, 2009 ...The reason why we are not getting what we want may be that the marketing people in most companies are probably much younger than both the Pentax Spotmatic and the Leicafelx SL. They've grown up with TV, computers, mobile phones and digital p&s cameras and probably have not the slightest idea what we are talking about and dreaming of... Agree but i wonder if young customers have more clue about this. They like our photos i guess but they don't want to make the efforts we made apparently. I don't teach photography though so perhaps some students are better than that i don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speenth Posted November 12, 2009 Share #154 Posted November 12, 2009 AMEN! The reason why we are not getting what we want may be that the marketing people in most companies are probably much younger than both the Pentax Spotmatic and the Leicafelx SL. They've grown up with TV, computers, mobile phones and digital p&s cameras and probably have not the slightest idea what we are talking about and dreaming of. Sad but true. I yearn for the 21st Century equivalent of the venerable Spotmatic. It is one of the great cameras, largely because it simply takes great photographs. No gizmos, no gadgets, no adornments. Minimalist, nothing unnecessary or just for show. It's easy to use, wieldy, rugged and reliable. The viewfinder (for the era) was the best and the manual focussing is a joy, even by today standards. Every conceivable accessory could be (and has been) fitted to it, essentially because the body itself is so elegantly simple - even the accessory shoe itself being a clip-on accessory! Why is it so difficult to create this kind of tool in the digital era, more than 40 years after Asahi launched the Spotmatic? Your assertion is right - the designers of today just don't get it - and not just in the world of cameras, but in all things, it would be nice to see design return to function over form. The X1, with its wonderfully ergonomic appearance, promised this, but the reviews out today suggest it may fall a little short technically - too many gizmos, even in a Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted November 12, 2009 Share #155 Posted November 12, 2009 yes, i hope they do! in the meanwhile, the incremental control they've added to Snap focus is fantastic for street! my only question, honestly, is how well that works with a 50 and a larger sensor?....Actually, it's a 33mm lens. And generations of street photographers have used zone focusing with Leica rangefinder cameras, setting the hyperfocal distance at one f-stop less than the one they're shooting at: e.g., hyoerfocal distance at f/4 when shooting at at at f/5.6 — although for street photography I prefer pre-focusing at the expected distance to the subject, which, for me is often 1m, 1.5m or 2m. The new SNAP focus on the GXR should be ideal for this; or just use manual focus, which shows the depth of field on the LCD. —Mitch/Bangkok Walks in Bangkok (GRD3) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #156 Posted November 12, 2009 Actually, it's a 33mm lens. And generations of street photographers have used zone focusing with Leica rangefinder cameras, setting the hyperfocal distance at one f-stop less than the one they're shooting at: e.g., hyoerfocal distance at f/4 when shooting at at at f/5.6 — although for street photography I prefer pre-focusing at the expected distance to the subject, which, for me is often 1m, 1.5m or 2m. The new SNAP focus on the GXR should be ideal for this; or just use manual focus, which shows the depth of field on the LCD. my question, Mitch, is just as almost all the X1 photos seem to be at f/8, the samples from the GXR/A12 i've seen, seem to be close to wide open... why is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted November 12, 2009 Share #157 Posted November 12, 2009 Actually, it's a 33mm lens. And generations of street photographers have used zone focusing with Leica rangefinder cameras, setting the hyperfocal distance at one f-stop less than the one they're shooting at: e.g., hyoerfocal distance at f/4 when shooting at at at f/5.6 — although for street photography I prefer pre-focusing at the expected distance to the subject, which, for me is often 1m, 1.5m or 2m. The new SNAP focus on the GXR should be ideal for this; or just use manual focus, which shows the depth of field on the LCD. —Mitch/Bangkok Walks in Bangkok (GRD3) Your mentioned distances to the subject are with a 28 mm equiv. focal length? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted November 12, 2009 Share #158 Posted November 12, 2009 I'm referring to street photography with any lens. On an M6, with 35mm and 50mm lenses. —Mitch/Bangkok Flickr: Mitch Alland's Photostream Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 12, 2009 Share #159 Posted November 12, 2009 Your mentioned distances to the subject are with a 28 mm equiv. focal length? and a smaller sensor... to be fair, though, i have shot f/8 w/a 35mm on the Epson, which is also a 1.5X crop, setting it at 3m or so and have gotten very good results. what idon't know is if it worked because it was 6mp rather than the 12mp on the GXR... how much does resolution have to do with it (taking film out of the equation -- it is far more forgiving). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 12, 2009 Share #160 Posted November 12, 2009 my question, Mitch, is just as almost all the X1 photos seem to be at f/8, the samples from the GXR/A12 i've seen, seem to be close to wide open... why is that? Many of mine are at F/8 because that's how I normally shoot on the street in bright sunlight - with any camera. I'm not sure what others you are thinking of. I'll add formal res. tests to the review when they're done but there's nothing wrong with the performance of the X1 lens at wider apertures. Cheers, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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