c6gowin Posted November 10, 2009 Share #61 Posted November 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think 32mm is without the lens. We already had this on another X1 thread about a month ago. I stand corrected. The DPReview preview of the X1 does show the depth of the X1 as 50mm. The DPReview sample gallery for the GRX looked better than the X1 gallery in my opinion. And the GRX is innovative, but I prefer the size and simple controls of the X1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted November 10, 2009 Share #62 Posted November 10, 2009 Brilliant idea for those who like changing formats but i don't personally. APS-C is OK with a 50mm (aka 75), i would just need a 21(32) and a 28 (42). But why would Ricoh launch lenses like that with the same sensor? A CV 21/4 and a Leica 28/2.8 would be less bulky and more handy anyway. Give me a Leica X2 with M mount + a great EVF please and i will stop dreaming of a digital CL... perhaps. According to DC Watch, Ricoh already has many modules planned for the next stage including the ultra wide lens module, LCT. The next one they'll launch is a super zoom module coupled with a high speed CMOS sensor, presumably for the sports fans, other modules mentioned about include a portrait lens module coupled with a full-frame sensor, an ultra-wide unit with pan-focal mode, a super-telephoto module with high-sensitivity sensor for astronomical photography. Too bad, the GXR is gonna take some business away from the X1 for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 10, 2009 Share #63 Posted November 10, 2009 According to DC Watch, Ricoh already has many modules planned for the next stage including the ultra wide lens module, LCT. The next one they'll launch is a super zoom module coupled with a high speed CMOS sensor, presumably for the sports fans, other modules mentioned about include a portrait lens module coupled with a full-frame sensor, an ultra-wide unit with pan-focal mode, a super-telephoto module with high-sensitivity sensor for astronomical photography. Too bad, the GXR is gonna take some business away from the X1 for sure. do you have a link for this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 10, 2009 Share #64 Posted November 10, 2009 do you have a link for this? here you go, sir ... DC watch coverage on the GXR Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 10, 2009 Share #65 Posted November 10, 2009 here you go, sir ... DC watch coverage on the GXR ma'am, actually i was hoping for something i could decipher, but i guess i'll jest have to be patient. thank you for the link, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 10, 2009 Share #66 Posted November 10, 2009 sdai I am sure coup de foudre thanks you for the link that you gave her Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 10, 2009 Share #67 Posted November 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) jsrockit -- please define your idea of a "classic" camera. in my mind, the original GR was most definitely a classic! and i find it amusing that you won't even consider a camera from a company that has made some of the best of them in terms of usability. i'm not saying you have to get it (i know that X1 is yours come hell or high water), merely don't knock the elegant Ricoh interface until you've tried it. it is superb. Fair enough... and I cannot disagree with the film GR being a classic in its many forms... too many people love them to say that. I guess what I meant by classic is in its form as a traditional style camera with a semi-traditional, simplified, layout. To me, the X1 is just that... a true updated Leica. The Ricoh, while a step forward, is still too weird for me. I just want shutter speed dials, and aperature rings / or dials on my cameras. I guess I still prefer mechanical cameras and expect digitals to conform. Maybe that is asking too much. I'm also not dead set on an X1. I may just get an M8 and a 28mm lens instead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 10, 2009 Share #68 Posted November 10, 2009 sdai I am sure coup de foudre thanks you for the link that you gave her didn't i not thank him properly? if i said it in any nasty way, i did not mean that at all. i was demeaning my own language skills. thank you, thank you, thank you, sdai! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 10, 2009 Share #69 Posted November 10, 2009 sdai I am sure coup de foudre thanks you for the link that you gave her Ooops ... my bad and I offer my apologies. I was all confused by her pen name. Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 10, 2009 Share #70 Posted November 10, 2009 Fair enough... and I cannot disagree with the film GR being a classic in its many forms... too many people love them to say that. I guess what I meant by classic is in its form as a traditional style camera with a semi-traditional, simplified, layout. To me, the X1 is just that... a true updated Leica. The Ricoh, while a step forward, is still too weird for me. I just want shutter speed dials, and aperature rings / or dials on my cameras. I guess I still prefer mechanical cameras and expect digitals to conform. Maybe that is asking too much. I'm also not dead set on an X1. I may just get an M8 and a 28mm lens instead. i admit that is all very odd and i'm still kind of surprised that i like it, as i tend to be more drawn to the traditional as well. the X1 is definitely more what you're looking for, rather than the M8 -- but the M8 is a very fine camera as well and you can get additional lenses for it... and if you really want to get the most film-like camera feel -- the Epson R-D1 is a wonderful camera to use. once you format your card , twist the screen around and you never need to look at it again -- all operational controls are on the top. it's true blue traditional camera and a joy to use. unfortunately, it does not have the looks you seem to be drawn to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted November 10, 2009 Share #71 Posted November 10, 2009 ma'am, actually So in fact you're coupe de foudre? ;p Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 10, 2009 Share #72 Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) The real problem with all this modular stuff is that one could end up with a bag full of lego pieces, two bodies will be a minimum........ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 10, 2009 by stnami Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/103229-the-ricoh-rival/?do=findComment&comment=1111587'>More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 10, 2009 Share #73 Posted November 10, 2009 Ooops ... my bad and I offer my apologies. I was all confused by her pen name. Cheers! my name is actually Cam which doesn't clarify my sex at all ( and it really is just Cam) -- no apology necessary. i thank you. stnami was being a gentleman -- my thanks to him as well (watch it, Imants, you may ruin your reputation ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottocrat Posted November 10, 2009 Share #74 Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) I'd be all over a lego camera! Edited November 10, 2009 by ottocrat bizarre emoticon parsing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 10, 2009 Share #75 Posted November 10, 2009 the X1 is definitely more what you're looking for, rather than the M8 -- but the M8 is a very fine camera as well and you can get additional lenses for it... and if you really want to get the most film-like camera feel -- the Epson R-D1 is a wonderful camera to use. once you format your card , twist the screen around and you never need to look at it again -- all operational controls are on the top. it's true blue traditional camera and a joy to use. unfortunately, it does not have the looks you seem to be drawn to. I'm not really all about looks....functionality is very important to me... I like a camera that doesn't get in the way and is a joy to use on a daily basis. I only use an M2 these days. Basically the M8 is what I truly want, but feel it is flawed (crop factor, filters, etc). The Epson I feel is over-priced, used, for how old it is and the crop factor is even worse. I'm a 35mm lens user and hate that I have to buy a 28mm or smaller (in the case of the epson) to get the field of view I want. That is why I am hoping I can "make do" with an X1. I just can't bring myself to buy a M9 these days. I feel it would be irresponsible of me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 10, 2009 Share #76 Posted November 10, 2009 Having to change sensors to fit the image required will be a pain, given the size of the unit most will say bugger it ...............I'll get another body that way I don't have to worry about the contacts getting stuffed up in the bag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted November 10, 2009 Share #77 Posted November 10, 2009 The epson and that little canon 28mm lens is a wonderful combination Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/103229-the-ricoh-rival/?do=findComment&comment=1111649'>More sharing options...
VincentD Posted November 10, 2009 Share #78 Posted November 10, 2009 In looking closely at the sample images I think the Ricoh images are clearly superior to the X1 images and the bokeh and the CA of the lens is substantially better. The ISO 1600 images were much cleaner, even in the shadows. In the high contrast images the dynamic range seemed much better and no sign of fringing or CA at full resolution and greater. Further, these were beta version and X1 was production version. I just totally agree with you. However I will never buy this camera: its design is really too weird for imagining myself with that in my hands, also there's no dedicated aperture speed dial and I don't like that much this concept of interchangeable sensor attached to the lens. However its pictures are very convincing. If the X1 would display the same IQ than this ricoh GXR I wouldn't even wonder if I would buy it or not. When I look at these pictures I think "this is it!". Unfortunately I didn't have this impression with any X1 sample so far. Oh why anybody has thought of making a compact interchangeable back camera, with interchangeable lenses, with simple commands: iso, aperture dials and shutter on the top. Let's call it a 70s digital..? A box with a screen on the back, a slot on the base to change the sensor and several adapters to mount leica M, R, nikon F and maybe 4/3 and u4/3. With just one small screw to adjust the focal plane of the sensor. A "loupe" MF focusing (on the lenses!!) assisted by an AF. Or a rangefinder. Or maybe a touch screen that focuses and zooms and focuses again where you put your finger. Well this GXR concept, if ever it provides an APS-C sensor with an M mount will be really interresting. But not my style. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 10, 2009 Share #79 Posted November 10, 2009 According to DC Watch, Ricoh already has many modules planned for the next stage including the ultra wide lens module, LCT.The next one they'll launch is a super zoom module coupled with a high speed CMOS sensor, presumably for the sports fans, other modules mentioned about include a portrait lens module coupled with a full-frame sensor, an ultra-wide unit with pan-focal mode, a super-telephoto module with high-sensitivity sensor for astronomical photography... Thank you Simon. Aside from small sensor zooms and ultra/super lenses Ricoh will launch good classic ones with FF or APS sensors hopefully. I would prefer a mere M mount though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 10, 2009 Share #80 Posted November 10, 2009 The epson and that little canon 28mm lens is a wonderful combination Looks great, but still not wide enough for my needs. I'd need a 24mm lens on the epson. Makes it harder to go for than the M8 even. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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