Robert J Posted November 9, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Look at ebay item #260503348660.I believe this is a genuine leica IIIc camera with fake military markings and possible fake red shutter curtains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Indecisive Posted November 9, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 9, 2009 Just an aside .. so is Leica a pro-Nazi company? i.e. was it an active supporter of the Nazi movement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 9, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 9, 2009 Just an aside .. so is Leica a pro-Nazi company? i.e. was it an active supporter of the Nazi movement? Quite the opposite. The Leitz family for example helped to get a lot of Jews safely out of Germany during the Nazi years. Google for "Leica Freedom Train". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 9, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 9, 2009 This has been discussed many times here - here is just one example, with a link to the YouTube video: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/23401-leica-freedom-train-video-must-see.html Other household names have much to be ashamed of. Ask the salesman the next time you are contemplating buying a Siemens gas oven for the company's past track record in producing such "appliances"... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert J Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted November 9, 2009 I believe that companies such as Leitz didn't have much choice about whether or not they produced items for the German military. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indecisive Posted November 9, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 9, 2009 This has been discussed many times here - here is just one example, with a link to the YouTube video: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/23401-leica-freedom-train-video-must-see.html Other household names have much to be ashamed of. Ask the salesman the next time you are contemplating buying a Siemens gas oven for the company's past track record in producing such "appliances"... Regards, Bill Good to know. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebidwell Posted November 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This has been discussed many times here - here is just one example, with a link to the YouTube video: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/23401-leica-freedom-train-video-must-see.html Other household names have much to be ashamed of. Ask the salesman the next time you are contemplating buying a Siemens gas oven for the company's past track record in producing such "appliances"... Regards, Bill Hi Bill Just tried to access the link to YouTube video but it says it has been removed. Regards Mike Bidwell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 9, 2009 Hi Bill Just tried to access the link to YouTube video but it says it has been removed. Regards Mike Bidwell Hmmm... that is quite an old link and I confess I didn't check it when I reposted. Try searching the term "Leica Freedom Train" on Youtube - I can'd do that from within the firewall Regards. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted November 9, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 9, 2009 I think nobody really addressed the OP’s subject…. The seller seems to have access to a vast supply of original Leica parts - screwmount and M mount. The camera is most probably a genuine wartime Leica IIIc. Removing the bottom shutter crate cover would reveal the body's actual serial number, the 'step' under the rewind lever is a 'hallmark' of a wartime IIIc. The top and bottom plates appear to be either brand new or, re-chromed; there is no way that the vulcanite on a war-time Leica would have so many cracks and the chrome finish to be so pristine. The engraving of both the Leitz/Leica information and the ‘Reichsadler’ with Swastika emblem seem to have been done at a later time. Same may apply to the red curtain but, that could be genuine. Given the seller’s spelling abilities, the asking price of the piece and his by eBay standards quite low feedback rating (98.8%), I would not touch this camera with a five foot pole. Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 9, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 9, 2009 Agree with Jan's statement : military engraved Leicas are an interesting (for some) field of collecting... but originality is mandatory for such items, and the quoted ebay listing makes many doubts to arise... stay away is the only reasonable advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 9, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 9, 2009 This one belongs to a well known faker...obvious, it's evident even from small photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 9, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 9, 2009 I have in hand a book where all the Leitz, cameras & lens, delivered to military authorities from March 9th 1939 to February 3rd 1944 are repertoried : the 366519 is not repertoried as one to has been delivered to any military authorities. the first IIIc/LOOQA is s/n 384351 delivered M 494 Bln the 17.3.1942. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 10, 2009 The quality of the engraving is not very convincing either. This one is much more fun!: http://cgi.ebay.com/Leica-super-rare-German-camera-with-unique-viewfinder_W0QQitemZ170405243010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZFilm_Cameras?hash=item27acf1a882 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 10, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 10, 2009 The quality of the engraving is not very convincing either. This one is much more fun!: Leica super rare German camera with unique viewfinder - eBay (item 170405243010 end time Dec-10-09 04:13:43 PST) I hope the seller is simply "naif" ... and old Leitz viewfinders were so fine that one can think that a honest VIDOM is "unique"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 10, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 10, 2009 a honest VIDOM is "unique"... Anyway this little metal sheet covering the accessories shoe is intriguing me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 10, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 10, 2009 Anyway this little metal sheet covering the accessories shoe is intriguing me... Yes... it looks a not trivially attached piece of metal... seems even there is "something" under the sheet at left... maybe for some other gear to be fitted/inserted and standing on top ? Strangerly, I have the vague feel to have seen something similar... somewhere... an "obliterated" accessory shoe... cannot remember well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 10, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 10, 2009 Yes... it looks a not trivially attached piece of metal... seems even there is "something" under the sheet at left... maybe for some other gear to be fitted/inserted and standing on top ? Strangerly, I have the vague feel to have seen something similar... somewhere... an "obliterated" accessory shoe... cannot remember well... On this pict I don't see anything on its left side, apart the lip of the metal sheet... may be this item is here in order to prevent that it does not cling to the tissue of the vest pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted November 10, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 10, 2009 or to cover an engraving...?..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert J Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share #19 Posted November 11, 2009 I think nobody really addressed the OP’s subject…. The seller seems to have access to a vast supply of original Leica parts - screwmount and M mount. The camera is most probably a genuine wartime Leica IIIc. Removing the bottom shutter crate cover would reveal the body's actual serial number, the 'step' under the rewind lever is a 'hallmark' of a wartime IIIc. The top and bottom plates appear to be either brand new or, re-chromed; there is no way that the vulcanite on a war-time Leica would have so many cracks and the chrome finish to be so pristine. The engraving of both the Leitz/Leica information and the ‘Reichsadler’ with Swastika emblem seem to have been done at a later time. Same may apply to the red curtain but, that could be genuine. Given the seller’s spelling abilities, the asking price of the piece and his by eBay standards quite low feedback rating (98.8%), I would not touch this camera with a five foot pole. Best, Jan Since ebay does not remove listing of fake leicas this listing will remain to tempt the unwary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 12, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 12, 2009 Since ebay does not remove listing of fake leicas this listing will remain to tempt the unwary. Well it's not a fake Leica, it's a Leica with faked engraving. If someone is silly enough to buy it at least they still have a Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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