fotografr Posted November 29, 2006 Share #21 Posted November 29, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with all the previous praise. Great shot. I have a question. Do those with experience with the Noctilux feel this would have been have been as effective shot with another lens, a Lux or Cron? So much of this success seems to depend on the beauty of the OOF net. Is this rendering unique to the Noctilux? Thanks, Mitchell I have both the Nocti and the 50 lux. I think the shot would have been very effective with either one. The OOF areas do have their own distinct looks from each lens, which is why I keep them both, but that's not to say one is better than the other. The 50 lux produces a very textured bokeh at f/1.4 that is downright luscious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhotoArchival Posted November 30, 2006 Share #22 Posted November 30, 2006 I have to agree with everyone on the comments posted about this photo. Thanks for sharing! Amado Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted November 30, 2006 Share #23 Posted November 30, 2006 Brent, Thanks a lot for your reply. I know you know what you're talking about. I'm looking to buy a faster lens than my 50 and 35 crons. I guess the 35 lux makes the most sense as I have a M8, but maybe the 50 lux. Best, Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share #24 Posted November 30, 2006 @Thomas @Peter Thank you, with all my heart @Fotografr To me, Noctilux images, especially in B/W, have an expressionnist misty atmosphere, similar to Twenties movies, before the Talkies (all the more so with some vignetting), or a Von Sternberg air to it, which I love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share #25 Posted December 1, 2006 @Martinop @Azzo from Malta @Sehmrich Glad you liked it. I'll try to catch more ! Johan F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share #26 Posted December 3, 2006 @leicafan @amado Oups : I forgot you. Thanks, then. @mitchell : I have another series of the same done with the 35 Lux. Please wait the scans for further comparison. Cheers to all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted December 3, 2006 Share #27 Posted December 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very nice shot as others have said. The boy's trailing right leg makes this for me, it adds a sense of movement to the pose. One question. Do you use a filter on your Nocti? I only ask because there is some vignetting right in the very corners of the frame. It doesn't bother me at all, but I'm just curious. Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share #28 Posted December 3, 2006 @Steve : no filter never on any of my lenses, except in adverse conditions (wind, sand, dust, salt, water and… kids proppping a finger on it — no, for that last one I'm kidding) This Noctilux my last one to date, I have a hell of a learning curve in store, at least for two issues : focussing and vignetting. It seems the latter is stronger when fully opened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twom4 Posted December 3, 2006 Share #29 Posted December 3, 2006 Excellent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted December 3, 2006 Share #30 Posted December 3, 2006 Hello Johan-Frederik As mentioned above, very nice shot (also the others in the series). I particularly enjoy the colours and the pose of your boy, though it is strung together with the composition. Focussing, yes, it's something one can learn and get better at. At the same time I probably lost too many good pictures by trying to focus instead of taking the pic - and paging through the works of quite some masters of photography you will notice that even they do not always focus perfectly - there are other things that count. Vignetting is more of a theoretical learning. Most lenses exhibit it stronger when they are wide open. Basically there are two types of vignetting, natural vignetting and artificial vignetting. natural vignetting is simply a law of nature. You can think of your lens as a round hole through which light falls. If you look at it straight-on, you see a perfectly round hole. If you look at it from an angle, you see an oval. Of course more light can flow through a round hole, than through an oval (see picture), so the result is vignetting. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In most lenses, particularly those with an open aperture there is also some artificial vignetting occurring, mostly due to the fact that the designers chose some compromise between a compact design (with vignetting), and an optically perfect design. Mostly some part of the lens barrel gets into the way of a lens. See the simplified picture below. The red area denotes the artificial vignetting. Hope this helps a bit. Kind regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In most lenses, particularly those with an open aperture there is also some artificial vignetting occurring, mostly due to the fact that the designers chose some compromise between a compact design (with vignetting), and an optically perfect design. Mostly some part of the lens barrel gets into the way of a lens. See the simplified picture below. The red area denotes the artificial vignetting. Hope this helps a bit. Kind regards, C. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10227-net/?do=findComment&comment=109999'>More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share #31 Posted December 4, 2006 @chris : my regards to you @christoph : I knew about vignetting, but now you cleared my thoughts quite a bit. I'm impressed and I must thank you. Do all types of filters add to vignetting ? I intended to try a natural density filter with the Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted December 4, 2006 Share #32 Posted December 4, 2006 Johan-Frederik, Artificial vignetting might occur even without the use of filters, due to the design of the lens. I believe that normally, if you use a single filter, this should not add to vignetting. However I have no personal experience working with the Noctilux. For wide angle lenses there are sometimes extra thin filter mounts available to avoid artificial vignetting. For your focusing "learing curve" with the Noctilux you might consider that, wide open, the depth of field is extremely limited, and that any turning of the camera (and thus lens), might move the object out of the field of sharpness (see picture below). The depth of field would be a plane extending from A to B, with the red ball denoting the object on which you focus. The red lines denote the situation with the camera turned, and the shift of the focus can be clearly seen, moving from the tip of the ball to somewhere into the ball. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is one of the reasons why so many photos taken with the Noctilux appear to be out of focus. Stopping down to an aperture of 2 should give you ample depth of field, to allow for some compositional turning of the camera, but then one could use a Summicron instead, and the nice fluffy Noctilian bokeh would... Kind regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is one of the reasons why so many photos taken with the Noctilux appear to be out of focus. Stopping down to an aperture of 2 should give you ample depth of field, to allow for some compositional turning of the camera, but then one could use a Summicron instead, and the nice fluffy Noctilian bokeh would... Kind regards, C. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10227-net/?do=findComment&comment=110685'>More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share #33 Posted December 4, 2006 @Christoph : all the more difficult when the tip of the ball is constantly moving, like the head of a human being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted December 5, 2006 Share #34 Posted December 5, 2006 Excellent shot, I really like it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 5, 2006 Share #35 Posted December 5, 2006 Great shot, try converting to B&W you may be suprised with what extra depth monochrome will add to the image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide.angle Posted December 5, 2006 Share #36 Posted December 5, 2006 OOF foregrounds are tough to get right, great artistry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw_ Posted December 6, 2006 Share #37 Posted December 6, 2006 the depth of field flows toward those balls on the racket; that simple step you caught your son taking creates just enough of a counterpoint to balance the composition. from there the blending of the colours and the bokeh are so well rendered that they come to mind subtly as if they are something you became aware of after reflecting on a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share #38 Posted December 6, 2006 Great shot, try converting to B&W you may be suprised with what extra depth monochrome will add to the image Thx Imants Actually, I always try my pics in B/W, just for the hell of it. This one got a bit greyish and the black net / green court and green tarpaulin was lost. BTW, when do we see more of yours ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share #39 Posted December 7, 2006 the depth of field flows toward those balls on the racket; that simple step you caught your son taking creates just enough of a counterpoint to balance the composition. from there the blending of the colours and the bokeh are so well rendered that they come to mind subtly as if they are something you became aware of after reflecting on a dream. Thomas, Thank you for your keen eye. It's truly what I wanted, that geometry of the net (vertical line) and my boy walking (horizontal line) whith the racket and balls as some kind of hinge. It needed some patience and some shots to get it properly. Even so, I tried to have both the balls and his face sharp. It seems I just half succeeded… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share #40 Posted December 7, 2006 @wide.angle : thx for the compliment @William : Is there still a Frenchman in Adelaide who runs a theater and a radio station ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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