jamalsan Posted November 1, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello everyone, My father had a M3 leica coming with various lenses, including the Hektor 135mn, which I inherited. I understand that the M8 doesn't have any frames for 135mn lenses and I was wondering if an external eyepiece showing 135mn frames were available for the M8. I read here and there posts about 1.4 magnifiers, but, correct me if I'm wrong, they only magnify the view, they don't add 135mn frames, right ? So they help focusing but not framing. I set the hektor on my M8 and I didn't find focusing difficult. On the other hand, my pictures are of course out of frame, in spite of all my efforts... Also, I found a Leica SHOOC: LInk to eBay removed by moderator unfortunatly, I have no idea how to use it...It seems it goes on the flash shoe. Is it useful with a M8 ? Thank you for helping me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nicoleica Posted November 1, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 1, 2009 I think that if you use the area of the rangefinder patch as a rough guide, you won't be too far out with a 135 lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 1, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 1, 2009 Hello everyone, My father had a M3 leica coming with various lenses, including the Hektor 135mn, which I inherited. I understand that the M8 doesn't have any frames for 135mn lenses and I was wondering if an external eyepiece showing 135mn frames were available for the M8. You will need a 180mm viewfinder for 24x36 (35 mm) format. This page may help you. Epson R-D1: Accessory finders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted November 2, 2009 Thank you both for your replies. The link to the accessory finders is most interesting. I'll check it thoroughly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted November 4, 2009 I'm back to you. I've decided on buying an external viewfinder for my 135mm Hektor. But lately, I've been browsing the web in search for information about long focal lenses and I've come across articles about the Visoflex III and the M8. I think that with a Visoflex, my framing issue would be sorted out, though carrying the device would turn out to be a heavy experience. What do you think ? I've checked ebay about Visoflex III and those I could find are mint and their prices most reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 4, 2009 I've checked ebay about Visoflex III and those I could find are mint and their prices most reasonable. There is one being sold in the Buy & Sell page of the Forum in the Lenses section. By the way, when I use my 135 on the M8 I keep im mind the that the frame is someway between the patch and the 90mm framelines, half way more or less. Pushing the lens release button and turning the lens leftward a bit it brings up the 90 framelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 4, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm back to you. I've decided on buying an external viewfinder for my 135mm Hektor. But lately, I've been browsing the web in search for information about long focal lenses and I've come across articles about the Visoflex III and the M8.I think that with a Visoflex, my framing issue would be sorted out, though carrying the device would turn out to be a heavy experience. What do you think ? I've checked ebay about Visoflex III and those I could find are mint and their prices most reasonable. Let me say... Visoflex is NOT the solution for using 135 on M8: Viso is a very interesting device, and oldtime Leicaphiles (like me) have used it for years and years, but it is a rather complex device to use, and not so often usable without tripod: its right field of use is for macro photo (also with its very fine bellows) or for long teles (280-400-560) with which tripod can be acceptable; 135 is a straight lens to be used in normal situations, and the best thing to do is, as Enrico and Nicole said, to use rangefinder patch and 90 mm frame as references: 135 stands indeed between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted November 5, 2009 Let me say... Visoflex is NOT the solution for using 135 on M8: Viso is a very interesting device, and oldtime Leicaphiles (like me) have used it for years and years, but it is a rather complex device to use, and not so often usable without tripod: its right field of use is for macro photo (also with its very fine bellows) or for long teles (280-400-560) with which tripod can be acceptable; 135 is a straight lens to be used in normal situations, and the best thing to do is, as Enrico and Nicole said, to use rangefinder patch and 90 mm frame as references: 135 stands indeed between the two. Allright. I might invest in a Visoflex III someday, but I now know that I'll have to find another reason for it than using a 135mm ! I've created a gallery and posted some pictures taken with my M8 and the Hektor. Check them out when you have a chance : Flickr: jamalbee's Photostream Comments are welcome. They were taken without the external view finder that I have just ordered and without the "Pushing the lens release button and turning the lens leftward a bit to bring up the 90 framelines" technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted November 6, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 6, 2009 Jamal, I love your Hektor pictures. It appears to be very sharp. I'm a great fan of the 135mm lens and, in spite of the lack of framelines, my Tele-Elmar is a great addition to my M8 lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted December 22, 2009 Hello ! Me again. Thank you epand 56. I have posted new pix taken with the Hektor. I'm satisfied with the results, but I find the colours not to be vivid enough. Is it because of the lens or the M8 white balance settings ? I'll try some other settings to sort it out. I would like to talk about another 135 mm lens. The Elmar 1:4/135 (the serial number of the one I found on the evil bay is 1768557). According to the visoflex III instructions, the lens unit fits the "oubio" part to be mounted on a visoflex III. A friend of mine lent me an oubio and I must say the elmar lens unit doesn't fit it. Have I missed something ? Do I need an adapter to screw the Elmar on the...adapter ? Please see the enclosed pictures. My finger is pointing at the threaded part of the lens unit which cannot be screwed. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/102184-m8-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=1160007'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 22, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 22, 2009 The OUBIO - or No. 16466 - does not fit an 135mm-Elmar. It is made for the 4/200 Telyt or longer lenses. For the lens-head of the 135mm Elmar you can adapt the 16471 to fit on the mount 16464 for the Visoflex to use the lens for close distances. You find a chart for adapting lenses on the Viso here in german and in some other languages if you look some postings further on in the thread: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/109262-anyone-got-copy-visoflex-adapters-chart.html#post1153818. To come back to the original question about a separate viewfinder for 135mm lenses on the M8: There has been the TEWE-Viewfinder from the 50s which had a frame for 180mm, which is the cropped focal length of 135mm on the M8. Though I don't think it is really useful. Much easier to "guess" the right frames between those for 90mm and the rangefinder patch in the center. P.S.: Most famous picture of the TEWE on a Leica is this one: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-sammler-historica/42415-viooh-vs-tewe-zoom-sucher.html#post459310 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted December 22, 2009 Indeed the shot is impressive ! I have found an external viewfinder for the Hektor, but as you said and just as it's been mentioned by others, I'm just bringing up the 90mm frames and shoot. It is the easiest method, by far. Thank you for the precisions about the oublio. Yet, in my Visoflex instruction leaflet, it is stated that the OUBLIO ring (or 16 466) is to be used with lenses from 125 to 400mm. The french leica aficionados site summilux also describes the OUBLIO as an adapter ring for the Elmar f:4/135 mm, among other lenses (in short focusing mount only, Leica - Dictionnaire , in French). This is what puzzles me. My leaflet also mention a filter turret 14 116 between the OUBLIO and the lens. I haven't got the slightest clue about what is a filter turret. Can it be that, according to the Elmar production year, the OUBLIO may be or maynot be used ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 22, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 22, 2009 Summilux.net mentions that the OUBIO (with no "L" - n'est pas oublier;) ) fits the 135mm with "short focussing mount". This is different than the normal focussing mount you use for the lens directly on the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 22, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 22, 2009 A 135 lens head will fit onto the Visoflex using the Universalschnecke 16464 or the bellows. In both cases it will focus to infinity. The filterturret is one of those weird and wonderful - and rare and expensive contraptions Leica used to make. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/102184-m8-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=1160388'>More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted December 22, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted December 22, 2009 To UliWer : hahaha, I guess this is a Freudian slip ! I know deep inside myself I should forget (oublier) the OUBIO... To Jaap : Waouh ! Oh my ! I've never ever seen such a device ! Thanks for posting ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 22, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 22, 2009 To UliWer : hahaha, I guess this is a Freudian slip ! I know deep inside myself I should forget (oublier) the OUBIO... No, no! It was good to remind us about the good old OUBIO. The OUBIO has a M-mount bajonett on one side and a 39mm-screw-mount on the other. So I tried if a 4/135mm Elmar with screw mount would allow you to take photos with the OUBIO on the Visoflex. The result was this: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Distance sensor to objekt about 57cm; the ratio is approximately 2:1; the depth of focus in which you can achieve a sharp picture is very shallow, though I think you cannot deny that it is sharp. If you find the short focussing mount for a screw-mount 135mm you should be able to use the lense together with the OUBIO in a broader field. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Distance sensor to objekt about 57cm; the ratio is approximately 2:1; the depth of focus in which you can achieve a sharp picture is very shallow, though I think you cannot deny that it is sharp. If you find the short focussing mount for a screw-mount 135mm you should be able to use the lense together with the OUBIO in a broader field. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/102184-m8-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=1160715'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 22, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 22, 2009 And you can add the ring 14020 between the OUBIO and the lens: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Though with a bellows you can achieve those results easier and much more precise. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Though with a bellows you can achieve those results easier and much more precise. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/102184-m8-viewfinder/?do=findComment&comment=1160759'>More sharing options...
jamalsan Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted December 23, 2009 The shots are indeed very sharp, I'm impressed. The short focusing mount for 135 is a ZOOAN, right ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 23, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 23, 2009 Yes, more information about the ZOOAN here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/78347-short-focussing-mount-pict-added.html#post816571 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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