C1 Pro 5 - Just a test - Interesting…

[wlaidlaw]

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I tried it.

Now it opens C1 and gives me the choice for C1 or C1 Pro Trial

(23 days remaining as I already used it since a week).

After launching, it says : to execute C1 Pro, app should be

relaunched.

I do. It quits.

Do it again. Quits again.

 

I don't think the Pro version runs on a trial basis. I had exactly the same as you. I have now bitten the bullet and paid for V5 pro.

 

The files you must remove to get it work on reinstallation are the .col files, which you may find in all sorts of locations and the plist file.

 

Wilson

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[JHAG]

Wilson,

 

C1 Pro V.5 is offered on a 30 days trial.

As said, I used it since a week.

Upon opening, one has to select trial for C1 or C1 Pro.

Now I reinstalled 4.8.3 and C1 Pro V. 5 works on trial.

Will it still quit after applying frans uninstall, time will tell.

[Jamie Roberts]

Johan, you're probably removing a license file somewhere. I don't know for sure...

 

FWIW, I wouldn't be using the card "import" mechanism from any RAW software. I'd just use the OS to copy RAWs where I want them. Once they're off the card and onto a hard drive then you can rename or organize any way you want.

 

Card to computer communications can be flaky in my experience. I don't like doing anything "on load..."

 

I don't know if that's where you guys are seeing "instability" or not, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[JHAG]

Jamie, thank you for this.

I uninstalled everything, then reinstalled 4.8.3 licensed and 5.0 demo.

So far so good.

My method :

- unload card file on desktop, rename it

- back up card file renamed on 2 external backups

- import pictures in C1

 

That said, importing directly from card to C1 never gave me problem.

When C1 quit, it was not related to import, but only opening it or doing

some undistinct operation.

[wlaidlaw]

I thought earlier that C1 V5 Pro no longer had the option to do an automatic back up of DNG's when downloading from a card. It does. It is hidden as an option on the import images page under a pull down menu from the arrow to the right of "Locations". I have been watching the tutorials on Phase One's website. I am finding lots of things I either did not know, have never used or forgotten about. Moral - read the destructions!

 

Wilson

[wparsonsgisnet]

I guess their website is still overloaded at the times of day when Jamie does not tell them to give him additional bandwidth.

 

Yesterday, I downloaded via the enormous pipe at work and it still took more than 5 mins to get the new release.

 

And, wow, does this guy take a long time to load (windoze, of course). I'm gonna have to watch the videos because I don't see the button to show the cropped image.

 

How come the photography stuff is always about the damn computer?!!! Thank heavens for the chimp window.

 

BTW, this installation was relatively painless, following the purchase leg.

 

Regards to all,

[Jamie Roberts]

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I guess their website is still overloaded at the times of day when Jamie does not tell them to give him additional bandwidth.

 

Yesterday, I downloaded via the enormous pipe at work and it still took more than 5 mins to get the new release.

 

And, wow, does this guy take a long time to load (windoze, of course). I'm gonna have to watch the videos because I don't see the button to show the cropped image.

 

How come the photography stuff is always about the damn computer?!!! Thank heavens for the chimp window.

 

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Hey Bill--when you say it takes a long time to load, do you mean the program to start or to actually load a set of images?

 

I've found it *does* take extra time to convert your V4 image settings the first time it loads them. So it's actually slower to load a set of already worked images (but once it's done that once it's very quick again).

 

I'm just interested. You may be needing a newer computer, though.

[wlaidlaw]

Hey Bill--when you say it takes a long time to load, do you mean the program to start or to actually load a set of images?

 

I've found it *does* take extra time to convert your V4 image settings the first time it loads them. So it's actually slower to load a set of already worked images (but once it's done that once it's very quick again).

 

I'm just interested. You may be needing a newer computer, though.

 

Jamie,

 

I too am finding it a bit slower to load than V4 and I am using a 2009 MB Pro 2.53 gHz but it is not a big problem. I guess it is just a bigger program. I was also thinking it was slower processing images but this was a DOH! moment, as it was now working on uncompressed M9's rather than the 8 bit M8's I had been using V4 for. I just wish the full screen tab on the tutorials worked. I cannot find these tutorials directly on Youtube, who apparently host them.

 

I am hoping somewhere buried in the program, is the ability to make ICC camera profiles, now having gone and bought a new Gretag Macbeth ColorChecker Chart. I wish that the Adobe DNG Profile editor program gave the option to save the profiles it creates as an ICC, as it is so easy to use with a GM chart.

 

Wilson

[mweiner]

Wilson, try this for some of the utube c1 pro 5 videos.

If you follow some of the 'see all 70' and 'more' links you can find the others.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYUXOTNqkc&feature=channel

 

Michael

[wparsonsgisnet]

 

 

 

Hey Bill--when you say it takes a long time to load, do you mean the program to start or to actually load a set of images?

 

I've found it *does* take extra time to convert your V4 image settings the first time it loads them. So it's actually slower to load a set of already worked images (but once it's done that once it's very quick again).

 

I'm just interested. You may be needing a newer computer, though.

 

Jamie, I meant to load C1-V5. I haven't tried to calibrate how long it takes to load all the thumbnails. I just go for coffee!

 

 

I have a new computer in mind -- but don't know if I can find the old one in the midst of my disk farm. I just added another 2GB this week and am "rationalizing" the folder allocation. Ain't this photography stuff fun?

[Jamie Roberts]

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I am hoping somewhere buried in the program, is the ability to make ICC camera profiles, now having gone and bought a new Gretag Macbeth ColorChecker Chart. I wish that the Adobe DNG Profile editor program gave the option to save the profiles it creates as an ICC, as it is so easy to use with a GM chart.

Wilson

 

Hey Wilson,

 

You can absolutely make your own ICC profiles with C1 Pro. You need to go to the colour editor tab, make your changes, then click the menu options. You'll see you can save as a style or as an ICC profile.

 

Styles, of course, only work in C1, and you can't add multiple styles, so I'd only use them, personally, for post-colour changes. Saving the ICC profile means you can apply styles on top of the basic colour correction.

 

So one way to work this would be to start with the M8 / M9 profile, shoot the GM color checker in daylight, say, and tungsten, then then tweak the response and save the resulting ICC profile. Very straightforward process, and less time-consuming and less difficult to master than making generic profiles from scratch, IMO.

[Jamie Roberts]

I have a new computer in mind -- but don't know if I can find the old one in the midst of my disk farm. I just added another 2GB this week and am "rationalizing" the folder allocation. Ain't this photography stuff fun?

 

I hear you on all that Bill. I just bought a 4 TBs of hard drives for next year's work and backups. There's a part of me (who had a 8mb 486 not that long ago) who simply finds that hard to believe... but it's better than tripping over disks

[wlaidlaw]

Hey Wilson,

 

You can absolutely make your own ICC profiles with C1 Pro. You need to go to the colour editor tab, make your changes, then click the menu options. You'll see you can save as a style or as an ICC profile.

 

Styles, of course, only work in C1, and you can't add multiple styles, so I'd only use them, personally, for post-colour changes. Saving the ICC profile means you can apply styles on top of the basic colour correction.

 

So one way to work this would be to start with the M8 / M9 profile, shoot the GM color checker in daylight, say, and tungsten, then then tweak the response and save the resulting ICC profile. Very straightforward process, and less time-consuming and less difficult to master than making generic profiles from scratch, IMO.

 

Jamie,

 

I am afraid it is a "from scratch" ICC profile I want to make for my Ricoh GX200. I am pretty happy with the off the shelf M9 profile.

 

Wilson

[wlaidlaw]

I am close to giving up with C1 V5 Pro. I have been a C1 user for some years now but V5 is just not working at all. It started by being very unstable and I had to reinstall it a number of times. Now it will not generate thumbnails at all and is 100% useless. I have tried a total reinstall and gone though every folder removing settings files, preferences, caches etc etc. but no go. To rub salt into the wound, Phase One have not responded to my questions, which I have to say is unusual, as they normally respond quickly. If this is not cleared up soon, I am going to have to use my code and get LR 2.5, when I wanted to hang on and get LR3, which from the beta, seems a big step forward.

 

Wilson

[JHAG]

I'm not close to give up because I love many features of C1 Pro (but maybe they existed already in V4).

Especially the fine tweak on skin tones.

But it's instable — no more than 4.8.3, but no less.

It quits at least once everyday. And I did everything you did regarding cleaning, William.

[Jamie Roberts]

I am close to giving up with C1 V5 Pro. I have been a C1 user for some years now but V5 is just not working at all. It started by being very unstable and I had to reinstall it a number of times. Now it will not generate thumbnails at all and is 100% useless. I have tried a total reinstall and gone though every folder removing settings files, preferences, caches etc etc. but no go. To rub salt into the wound, Phase One have not responded to my questions, which I have to say is unusual, as they normally respond quickly. If this is not cleared up soon, I am going to have to use my code and get LR 2.5, when I wanted to hang on and get LR3, which from the beta, seems a big step forward.

 

Wilson

 

Wilson--sorry--this is on a Mac, right? I don't know what to say... on Windows Vista (64bit no less) C1 V5 is rock-solid.

 

I can't help feeling like you've got an install issue, but then the latest versions of the Mac OS are also kind of unstable right now, no? (I ask this in all innocence; I'm completely computer agnostic, though I've had no reason to switch from Windows yet).

[mweiner]

I have been running C1 Pro V5 since it was release on a MacBook Pro with Leopard and am very happy with it.

 

Initially I had terrible troubles with instability. C1 support responded promptly within hours and informed me that the issue/bug was trying to do various operations when there was no defined/selected image. They had reviewed my automatically submitted bug reports. Once I followed their suggested work around of avoiding just about trying to do anything before selecting an image, I have had no problems.

 

They have just asked me to be a beta tester for their next bug fix release on the basis that I had had had crashes. Therefore, I think they are working very hard to make the program more stable.

 

I love it's work flow and color/skin editor features and personally strongly prefer it to LR 2.5. Although I am too uncritical to judge for myself anything about comparative image qualities, I am happy to go by other's opinons about that. I am glad Jamie Roberts is continuing to use it because I find his tips (and profiles) very useful.

 

Michael

[wlaidlaw]

I have had a response from C1 and I am hopeful that when I get back to the UK on Tuesday (no room for C1 on my travel MacBook Air with SSD), that we will have a solution. P1 were very apologetic over the delay in responding to my cries for help. My problem may be related to Snow Leopard.

 

Wilson

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[JHAG]

I can't help feeling like you've got an install issue, but then the latest versions of the Mac OS are also kind of unstable right now, no? (I ask this in all innocence; I'm completely computer agnostic, though I've had no reason to switch from Windows yet).

 

Jamie, Snow Leopard is very stable, as is Leopard : not a single problem

on two machines here since weeks.

But for me, problems of instability with C1 are here in fact since 4.8.

It quits, quits, quits.

Apparently, I'm not the only one on C1 forum.

I did everything : uninstall properly with Uninstall_C1, delete proxies of all pics, etc.

No avail.

C1 support has been quite fast to respond.

Their solution so far : create a "New session" for every work. Until then I just

opened a "session".

So far it seems to solve the problem. C1 doesn't quit anymore.

[wlaidlaw]

Phase One have let me have a copy of 5.0.1 beta and after a bit of trouble (having to start new sessions manually) it is now working. M9 profile pretty good but I think they may have fractionally over-compensated for the warmth of the M9's sensor and the colours are a touch on the cool side. Nothing that can't be cured with a bit of tweaking. Here is one where the colours are out of the C1 box. Needs more work on sensor blooming/CA round some of the lights.

 

Capri Port M9 and 35 ASPH Summilux.

 

Wilson

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