Mokkacream Posted October 23, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) M9 with 35 cron and 50 lux (all new) Problem: if I focus with any of those two lenses between 1-3 meter, I get in focus, what I want to have in focus. If I focus on subjects further than 4 meter, the focus lies almost always behind (appr. 1 m?) I wonder, if anybody of the M9 users has the same problem, or if it is even a general rangefinder disease, I would have to live with? ... the frontfocussing disease. BTW: I could not accept it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dpattinson Posted October 23, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 23, 2009 M9 with 35 cron and 50 lux (all new) Problem: if I focus with any of those two lenses between 1-3 meter, I get in focus, what I want to have in focus. If I focus on subjects further than 4 meter, the focus lies almost always behind (appr. 1 m?) I wonder, if anybody of the M9 users has the same problem, or if it is even a general rangefinder disease, I would have to live with? ... the frontfocussing disease. BTW: I could not accept it at all. Probably the camera's RF is out. You can easily verify that it's not your eyesight or technique by getting someone else to test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted October 23, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 23, 2009 Mine was doing exactly the same thing and this with lenses that I know are correctly calibrated themselves. I sent the body away for RF recalibration, they confirmed that it needed adjustment and now it is back and though i haven't yet tested every lens at every distance, it seems to be much better. IMHO a surprising proportion of lenses and bodies leave the factory with less than perfect calibration. Always test new gear quickly and be prepared to trust your own eyes and testing methodology! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 23, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 23, 2009 Tim, was this the problem with the results from your 28mm Summicron? You did well to get it there and back so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted October 23, 2009 Thanks a lot, so far. Anybody else experiencing the same problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 23, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 23, 2009 Focus with both of these lenses on my M9 is spot on all the time; they are among the best. If you do wish to have anything adjusted, make it your camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted October 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Focus with both of these lenses on my M9 is spot on all the time; they are among the best. If you do wish to have anything adjusted, make it your camera. I definitely will. That this problem occurs with both lenses, tells me that the problem lies within the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted October 23, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 23, 2009 Tim, was this the problem with the results from your 28mm Summicron? You did well to get it there and back so quickly. Hi Mark, It was indeed and it also was clear with the 50 lux. My dealer sent it to Milton Keynes and it was back in 8 days... it's no longer a Solms job. What worries me is that people who don't have a strong critical eye for exactly how good these files CAN be might not realise that they are getting sub-standard results. It takes either balls or a lot of experience to know when you're right and the camera is wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted November 2, 2009 I keep having a problem with back-focusing on the M9 with 35 cron and 50 lux. The further the aimed focus plane, the further behind the real focus will lie. I send everything back to Leica to get it checked. I wonder, what will happen. Will keep those, who are interested informed. No photos in the meanwhile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted November 2, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 2, 2009 Hi Mark, It was indeed and it also was clear with the 50 lux. My dealer sent it to Milton Keynes and it was back in 8 days... it's no longer a Solms job. What worries me is that people who don't have a strong critical eye for exactly how good these files CAN be might not realise that they are getting sub-standard results. It takes either balls or a lot of experience to know when you're right and the camera is wrong! I agree with Tim and feel many M8 and M9 cameras come from the factory slightly off. Most would not notice it but I do and my M9 is a wee bit off. Up close its dead on, but at far distances its off. My M8 was like this as well but once adjusted it was perfect. If you have a dead on M9 it is incredible. If not, it is good but may have you asking yourself what the fuss is about. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted November 2, 2009 If you have a dead on M9 it is incredible. If not, it is good but may have you asking yourself what the fuss is about. Steve What does that mean, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted November 2, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 2, 2009 What does that mean, please? I was just saying that if you have an M8 or M9 that is 100 accurate in its focus then the files you get out it (shooting DNG of course) will make your jaw drop. if its the slightest bit off, you will not get those results and you will wonder why everyone says the files of these cameras are so good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted November 2, 2009 thanks very much, Steve. I got it. Than I can really hope, that this problem will be fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookchang Posted November 3, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 3, 2009 M's helicoide, that is, RF can be easily out of alignment. It can be easily adjusted within few minutes at one of Leica service facilities or repair shops for free of charge (at least in Korea here). Mine was doing that with 75 Summilux, and I brought in at the service facility. The owner checked the lens and the body, concluding that the body's helicoide was out of alignment. He adjusted it in no time. Why don't you bring the lenses and the body to one of Leica service facilities near you for an adjustment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokkacream Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted November 3, 2009 Why don't you bring the lenses and the body to one of Leica service facilities near you for an adjustment? Because the closest is about 80 km away and it doesn't make any difference for me to send it directly to Leica. I'm living in Germany. On the other hand I have owned the camera and lenses not even 2 weeks and I could expect perfect quality right from the start on. I think Leica could take responsibility for it directly. For them it would also be adequate feedback, which in this case would mean, they should possibly increase quality managment at calibrating and end check at the factory - provided, that this focus problem is not due to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 3, 2009 The RF can go wrong after the camera left the factory. My M9 was spot on when I got it. After five weeks of rather severe vibration I have to send it to Solms to readjust the rangefinder. Landrovers on nonexistent roads - light aircraft of doubtful vintage - nothing surprising , but it means such things can happen when the parcel is shipped to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulrikft Posted November 3, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 3, 2009 The RF can go wrong after the camera left the factory. My M9 was spot on when I got it. After five weeks of rather severe vibration I have to send it to Solms to readjust the rangefinder. Landrovers on nonexistent roads - light aircraft of doubtful vintage - nothing surprising , but it means such things can happen when the parcel is shipped to you. Info like this makes a RF far less attractive for me. I'm pretty much set for bying one during 2010 (a m9, that is), but if driving on off-roads (as i do most of the summer) is out of the question of you want accurate focus, I'm a bit more sceptical... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 3, 2009 Well, the banging about off-road used to dislocate the viewfinder screen on my Leica R cameras. And bend the bajonet of the camera with a heavy lens mounted. In this case I suspect either one Cessna which had a strong vibration, or a few long drives on *very* corrugated roads. It should not stop you doing "normal" off-road work. If you cushion the camera on a seat or something against heavy bumps- a precaution that is wise for anything in such circumstances- and avoid 1970-ies Landrovers it should be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted November 3, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 3, 2009 Well, the banging about off-road used to dislocate the viewfinder screen on my Leica R cameras. And bend the bajonet of the camera with a heavy lens mounted. In this case I suspect either one Cessna which had a strong vibration, or a few long drives on *very* corrugated roads. It should not stop you doing "normal" off-road work. If you cushion the camera on a seat or something against heavy bumps- a precaution that is wise for anything in such circumstances- and avoid 1970-ies Landrovers it should be fine. Yes, indeed. I had a Land Rover ride in Kenya that displaced the entire prism in a Leicaflex SL, resting inside a Billingham bag. I don´t quite know if it should be regarded as land or air transport; the wheels were off the ground most of the time.... I sat beside the driver, with my 2 yo son in my lap, so the camera gear was a minor worry. I don´t think I´ve been so scared many times in my life.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mc_k Posted November 4, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 4, 2009 off 1m at 4m is bad indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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