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Just to show the perspective of the 18mm (Super-Elmar), compared to 75 (Summicron), below (Norwegian mountains, today)

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On my 18mm Zeiss the red shift is less evident if lens recognition is set to "off".

Is it the same on the Super Elmar?

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Ario

 

I'll have to test that, but if that is the case, it should be possible to correct in firmware?

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Just to show what I mean, the first pic is with the 18mm Zeiss manually set to be recognized as WATE at 18mm, the second is with the same lens and the lens recognition set to off.

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Ario

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Less evident, but if you measure, the bias still there. Something very odd about how the M9 vignettes. :confused:

 

But yes, Leica should be able to correct this in firmware, maybe not completely, but they can at least get rid of the red.

 

Sandy

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Since Mark and Sandy have both showed up (relative experts on edge drift and image flow characteristics) - I wonder if the red/left issue has to do with the sensor being read out in 2 halves and the corrections somehow being applied differentially on each side for that reason? (separate A/D converters?)

 

My 21 pre-asph shows some red/left or red/bottom (don't say it!) staining, so it seems pretty consistent across most wide lenses so far.

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Luigi: agree, and the good news is that if it is consistent as it appears, firmware fixes should be fairly easy (I hope). Personally, if there is going to be some edge drift, I'd prefer a touch of cyan over this red/magenta - but then I'm an old cyan-shadows Velvia user.

 

Maybe Leica should subcontract the fix out to Sandy...

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Luigi: agree, and the good news is that if it is consistent as it appears, firmware fixes should be fairly easy (I hope). Personally, if there is going to be some edge drift, I'd prefer a touch of cyan over this red/magenta - but then I'm an old cyan-shadows Velvia user..

 

Oh . .. give me magenta any day (I'm beginning to get fond of it) :)

(I do agree with you though)

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But yes, Leica should be able to correct this in firmware, maybe not completely, but they can at least get rid of the red.

 

Sandy

 

I hope they offer the same for us lowly M8er too :rolleyes:

 

Oh... Sandy?... I think I know the answer but with Cornerfix - If Leica comes out with a revised firmware one should shoot create new profiles correct?...

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I think it's the quick-setting glue Kodak uses. Dries on one side quicker than the other, creating stresses that raise one end of the cover-glass or microlens sheet higher than the other during the production process.

 

If we all agree that we don't want the red at the left, Leica could ask Kodak to glue the pair onto the sensor across the short side instead of the long side. If nothing else, this would have the advantage of putting the red color at the bottom of the frame, where it's usually easier to mask. If we're lucky, because of the reduced time differential of laying the cover-glass/microlens sandwich across the shorter way, the reddening effect might be greatly reduced because the two sides would be drying at more nearly the same rate.

 

Or Leica could just offer some special graduated cyan filters for wideangles when used on the M9. :D

 

 

(And no, of course I'm not serious.) :p

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You are right, I actually did not notice. Auto lens recognition, probably aperture 11-16.

why did you use such a narrow aperture:confused:

any lens that wide has gobs of DOF & no lens is at its best so stopped down, particularly ultrawides

lovely place & sweet colors, though the red problem to the right detracts

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A simple question for those guys and girls who have the M9 and the WATE:

 

Does the magenta left edge happen also with the WATE at 16mm and 18mm? Or only with the Elmar 18/3.8 and the ZM 18/4?

 

An example with a WATE at 18mm and the red shift - on both edges! - can be seen here:

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m8/98843-problem-mit-dem-super-elmar-18mm.html#post1040557

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