Jet Posted October 18, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was #2 on my dealer's list to receive a M9. First M9 dealer recived arrived on 9-20-09 and was issued to another. After 36 actuations this unit deveolped a problem with a purple vertical line on the LCD followed by complete failure of all controls. Problem may have been intiated by upgrade from firmware. Orginally shipped with firmware 0.96. Owner upgraded to 1.002 and M9 ceased to function. It was returned to Lecia New Jersey for inspection/repair. In the meantime a new M9 was issued to the first customer. I was notified today that a new M9 had arrived. The dealer than told me that it was essentially a re-conditioned M9 that had experienced the problems previously described. He has been completely honest about the unit and has offered it to me with full warranty and no reduction in price. Although I am reluctant to buy a M9 for $7000 that has experienced problems, I am also aware that availability of M9 appears limited and it may be months before a unit will arrive. Question is would any of you recommend purchase of this M9? Greatly appreciate your comments. Since I have M8 I can meet my cuurrent shooting requirements. Cheers: Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted October 18, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 18, 2009 I'd say wait. It's bad enough Leica can't get this straightened out during production and assembly. Now they want to sell a used broken and then fixed camera as new for the full retail price. I seriously doubt you will have to wait for months and you have a M8 to use while you wait for more of the bug to surface and get worked out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookchang Posted October 18, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 18, 2009 Even if you are eager to purchase a M9 ASAP, please do not pay the full price for an actually refurbished camera. I'll wait for a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted October 18, 2009 Shootist: Always appreciate your photo's and your advice is valuable too. Thank you for your comment. Dealer says he will list it on EBay and sell it at a premium? He can have at it! Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted October 18, 2009 Even if you are eager to purchase a M9 ASAP, please do not pay the full price for an actually refurbished camera. I'll wait for a new one. Eagerness sometimes generates foolish decisions. Patience will no doubt prevail. Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted October 18, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 18, 2009 Surely the sensible thing to do is buy it. It's got the full warranty and it's already had its problems fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 18, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Given the timescales, I doubt it has time for a round trip to Solms. Does that mean that NJ can replace, align and calibrate a sensor to factory standards - I doubt it, especially considering some of the work they have done for others in the past couple of years (Ed?). Does it mean that at last, they can map out a hot pixel? Would I pay $7,000 for a refurbished camera that has a mapped out pixel or a sensor replaced by NJ - no I don't think I would. Hopefully the third party will soon have solved their component production problems (this was confirmed to me by the UK Leica rep as part of the hold up) and M9's should be rolling out a bit faster soon. As you are next in line, it should be weeks rather than months - I would wait. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 18, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 18, 2009 None of us know how many times our camera failed QC in the factory, and had new parts fitted or old ones adjusted again, before being packaged up as 'new', so I don't see any advantage to thinking that because it hasn't been repaired to your knowledge it is a superior product! If any fault has been properly rectified this new M9 should be fully sorted and could simply be seen as having one extra QC check along the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 18, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2009 Shootist: Always appreciate your photo's and your advice is valuable too. Thank you for your comment. Dealer says he will list it on EBay and sell it at a premium? He can have at it! Jet Thank you for the comment on my photos. I think your decision is the correct one. As to the dealer listing it on eBay. So he doesn't have another buyer waiting in the wings? I am starting to get slightly suspicious of this dealer. I suspect he didn't pay full wholesale on the return of this camera. Leica could be in big trouble trying to sell off used goods as new. Once any product is in the hands of a retail buyer that item in now used. I really don't think Leica is arrogant enough to try this. So I suspect the dealer you are dealing with was trying to pull a fast one on you, knowing (or thinking) he had a buyer for it to charge the full retail price. In any event if I'm going to buy something and want it NEW I want it NEW especially if I am paying for new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 18, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2009 Paying full retail for a refurbished product of any kind strikes me as wrong. Notwithstanding the extra attention that it has forcibly received in addressing the defect. And I would steer very clear of any dealer which had the cheek to do such a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted October 18, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 18, 2009 Id pass, and wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 18, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 18, 2009 The dealer than told me that it was essentially a re-conditioned M9 that had experienced the problems previously described. He has been completely honest about the unit and has offered it to me with full warranty and no reduction in price. Although I am reluctant to buy a M9 for $7000 that has experienced problems, I am also aware that availability of M9 appears limited and it may be months before a unit will arrive. Quite obviously your dealer believes you're a slave to your impulses and will suspend rational thought, not to mention your dignity, and bend to his preposterous and obnoxious cheek...or that if you aren't, he'll have no trouble finding someone else. I hate to say it but he probably will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted October 18, 2009 Wilson, After reading additional threads on the Vertical Purple line syndrome, I am convinced that this M9 maybe better suited for someone else. As such I will not purchase this refurbished camera. I agree with the comment, that Lecia New Jersey, most likely doesn't have the same facility or staff to fulling test and recalibrate this M9. Also there have been numerious threads about the backlog of NJ and extended turn around of units requiring service. Watch for it on Ebay. In the meantime I will stay with my M8. Thanks everyone's comments they are most welcomed. Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 18, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 18, 2009 I would not buy the camera, and I would switch dealer. It seems very underhanded what he is doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted October 18, 2009 Appreciate your support and thoughts. I have passed on this one. Thanks, Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalina Posted October 18, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2009 If that M9 was used by Seal, I'd gladly keep it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 18, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 18, 2009 Wilson, After reading additional threads on the Vertical Purple line syndrome, I am convinced that this M9 maybe better suited for someone else. As such I will not purchase this refurbished camera. I agree with the comment, that Lecia New Jersey, most likely doesn't have the same facility or staff to fulling test and recalibrate this M9. Also there have been numerious threads about the backlog of NJ and extended turn around of units requiring service. Watch for it on Ebay. In the meantime I will stay with my M8. Thanks everyone's comments they are most welcomed. Jet Smart move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted October 19, 2009 If that M9 was used by Seal, I'd gladly keep it Watch for it on ebay it can be yours! Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share #19 Posted October 19, 2009 Smart move. Chuang-tzu quotation applies to my situation ! Thanks for reminding me, helps me while I wait for another M9. Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsonkirk Posted October 19, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 19, 2009 I happily bought a 'demo' M8, which means a refurbished one, at a reduced price. Let someone else be the beta tester. IMO the sticky part is that either the dealer or Leica wants you to pay full price for a refurb, which seems unethical. Who's the dealer? Please let us know so we can avoid that one. Kirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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