StevenKania Posted October 12, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Time to save some money! I have most of the Summicrons, except the 28mm unfortunately. The new Voigtlander 28/2 is at a fraction of the Summicron's price. But I have not seen any reviews about it. I would be most pleased to hear user comments. Steven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted October 12, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 12, 2009 Had one, it had focus shift when stopping down. My copy wasn't that sharp, not as sharp as the Leica 28 f/2.8 ASPH Elmarit I have. Much bigger then the Elmarit. Because of those things I rarely used it so it got sold. For the price it isn't a bad lens but it is not a Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_clegg Posted October 13, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 13, 2009 I have a Summicron 28mm f2.0 lens for over a year. Personally I think it is a sweet heart of a lens. The more I push it, the more I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalex141r Posted October 13, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 13, 2009 Time to save some money! I have most of the Summicrons, except the 28mm unfortunately. The new Voigtlander 28/2 is at a fraction of the Summicron's price. But I have not seen any reviews about it. I would be most pleased to hear user comments. Steven Stephen; I think Steve Huff (stevehuffphotos.com?) did some good looking and posting about it. In the end he was not that impressed; but google for him and his website, or search through here. Apologies for not giving you more pointers; but I'm time limited right now; anyway, steve's page convinced me to get the Leica 28/2; a lot of money for me, but it really is a fantastic lens... All my others are CV lenses, so I'm not against CV in anyway. JohnS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photophile Posted October 13, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 13, 2009 There have been several posts on this lens - search the threads. Having said that, the ultron 28 2.0 is my only non-leica lens. I bought it "last minute" when my 35 cron was in the shop and I needed a semi wide for a shoot in the mideast. I have found it, contrary to the findings of some, to be a very sharp lens, with great tonal range, little to no focus shift, and a steal for the money. I use it on my m8, with sharpie coding. There are a number of pics with it which I posted in the people section. Try a copy in the shop before you buy it - there is variation in the lots.. but if you get a good one - you'll love it and have money left over for something else. Best. Coos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptong Posted October 13, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 13, 2009 No complaints about it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptong Posted October 13, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) another. Using PS optimise dont help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 13, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 13, 2009 I got one to replace my older f/1.9 but after using them together I sent the f/2 back for a refund. The f/1.9 has no focus shift, and perhaps it was a sample variation, but was also quite a bit sharper off-axis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 13, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 13, 2009 It's a very good lens aside from the focus shift. I've reviewed both old and new versions of the 28 Ultron. The older aspherical version is more prone to flare (lower contrast) but does not shift focus. The newer resists flare better but, again, shifts focus. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Bébèrt Posted October 13, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 13, 2009 some free reviews and picts, for what it's worth... 28mm f2.0 Ultrons have arrived! What a nice piece of glass! Camera Obscura More on the 28mm Ultron f2 M lens P.Lynn Millers review Camera Obscura Voigtlander Ultron 28mm f2.0 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! I have the older version, 28mm/f1.9. Nice lens,sharp but looks after 2 years already as if it survived a few wars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 13, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 13, 2009 The older aspherical version is more prone to flare I never had any flare with mine, but maybe because I binned the useless clot of a hood that comes with, and replaced it with a 46mm threaded hood from Heavystar. The hood is designated for a 35mm lens, and although it doesn't vignette on an M8 I'm not sure about an M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Bébèrt Posted October 13, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 13, 2009 No extreme flare in my Ultron. The new 28/2 is a different lens, not just the outside but it has 10 lenses in 8 groups while the old 1.9 has 9 lenses in 7 groups and there is no aspherical lens in the new design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenKania Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted October 13, 2009 Thanks to everyone. It seems that I have to try before buying. But the only way I can get one is from internet, possibly from Cameraquest. So there's no possibilty of trying samples before buying. Maybe I should wait a little while more to buy the Summicron 28mm. It seems to be the favorite lens of may photographers. Steven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 14, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 14, 2009 Thanks to everyone. It seems that I have to try before buying. But the only way I can get one is from internet, possibly from Cameraquest. So there's no possibilty of trying samples before buying. Maybe I should wait a little while more to buy the Summicron 28mm. It seems to be the favorite lens of may photographers. Steven As with any lens, its worth doing the research before spending your money. The 28 Summicron, if one can afford it, is a lens I can recommend without reservation. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2007 Posted October 14, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 14, 2009 I like cv ultron coz save the money and hight quality (I can't to see difference than 28 summicron) but I love summicron coz "It is the Lieca" Now I had both 2 lens. and love its. 1. low cost and best quality 2. best branding and hight quality PS. If you want to save i recomment to CV28 . good price.. cheer... best mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 14, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 14, 2009 Maybe I should wait a little while more to buy the Summicron 28mm. It seems to be the favorite lens of may photographers. Steven Well, setting aside those who stand on principle not to use anything but Leica glass, and those who judge the quality of a lens by its price tag, and those who judge the quality of a lens by MTF graphs and/or the word of others, the ratio of Summicron-over-Ultron preference looses much of its steepness. In point of fact, from f/2.8 the Ultron, Summicron, and the last 3 generations of Elmarit not to mention the Konica M-Hexanon and Zeiss offerings, are remarkably close even in controlled testing, let alone when fettered by the variables of photography in the field. Where the Summicron pulls ahead cleanly is only when wide open. Then too, practically-speaking it would be an advantage only in shots where overall contrast and corner performance are critical, such as interior shots and landscapes (one might shoot those @ f/2 when shooting handheld in lower light levels). For reportage, the difference might either be unimportant, or the Ultron's signature might even be enhancing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 14, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 14, 2009 Buy it used on ebay, then sell it for the same price if you don't like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted October 14, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 14, 2009 My solution to the 28mm problem was to buy (used) both the VC 28/1.9 and the VC 28/3.5. I use the 28/1.9 lens for available light, and the (now discontinued) 28/3.5 outdoors. Total cost, used, about 1/4 of the 28 Summicron. No focus shift on the fast lens, superb quality and no flare on the slower lens. If I had unlimited disposable income, or if 28mm was my primary focal length on the M8, I probably would have sprung for the Summicron. Since 35mm is my go-to lens on the M8, the VCs are fine for 28mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzcloud Posted October 14, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 14, 2009 What would be a reasonable used price for a 28mm summicron. I could not find prices to reference on ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalex141r Posted October 14, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 14, 2009 ...In point of fact, from f/2.8 the Ultron, Summicron, and the last 3 generations of Elmarit not to mention the Konica M-Hexanon and Zeiss offerings, are remarkably close even in controlled testing, let alone when fettered by the variables of photography in the field. Where the Summicron pulls ahead cleanly is only when wide open. Then too, practically-speaking it would be an advantage only in shots where overall contrast and corner performance are critical, such as interior shots and landscapes (one might shoot those @ f/2 when shooting handheld in lower light levels). Yes, sure; my Summicron 28 was my first Leica lens; purchased for the speed. My CV 25 is great, but slow; the CV 40/1.4SC I was not happy with at anything less than f2-f2.8 so I sold it. So if you want that combination of speed, clarity, and shallow DOF, the Summicron 28/2 is great. I still have the CV25/4 btw; it is a bit smaller and lighter than the Summicron; great for general travelling about, but I really like that shallow DOF that the Summicron gives! JohnS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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