sharookh Posted August 3, 2010 Share #1 Posted August 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a D-Lux 4 viewfinder and was wondering if it would fit on the X-1. I understand that the sensor sizes are different in both cameras and therefore the multiplier is different (1.5 in the case of the X-1). A little bit of advice could save me buying another VF, unless ofcourse - I have no option. Thanks - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 3, 2010 Posted August 3, 2010 Hi sharookh, Take a look here D-Lux 4 viewfinder on the X-1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
h00ligan Posted August 3, 2010 Share #2 Posted August 3, 2010 Wrong field of view. The dl4 is 24mm, the x1 needs 36mm. I'm not sure about the framing lines, maybe there's some way to line it up, but they are in fact different substantially - and for framing, you at least want it to be close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted August 3, 2010 Share #3 Posted August 3, 2010 You should have a look at this webside: Leica View Finders You need a 35 mm viewfinder. The X1 has a 24 mm lens, but the chip is "only" 2/3 of the 24 x 36 format (the basis format). So the X1 has a lens of equivalent 36 mm. The Leica viewfinder for 35 mm is of 1960 or earlier. I have the ones for 90 and 135 mm, they will last another 50 years. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippa Posted August 3, 2010 Share #4 Posted August 3, 2010 You can use the DLux4 viewfinder to good effect and it's worth trying it before buying one for the X1. On the DLux4 viewfinder the inner markings are for 35mm and they are the ones you should use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 5, 2010 Share #5 Posted August 5, 2010 You can use the DLux4 viewfinder to good effect and it's worth trying it before buying one for the X1. On the DLux4 viewfinder the inner markings are for 35mm and they are the ones you should use. This is correct. I've been using the D-Lux 4 viewfinder on my X1 ever since I bought it. Works great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharookh Posted August 6, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted August 6, 2010 I confirm that the D-Lux 4 viewfinder CAN be used on the X1, and very well in fact! The inner frame lines do conform to 35mm whereas the outer conform to 24mm. This is confirmed by the small slip supplied with the VF. The only thing I' ve noticed is that when I switch the external viewfinder "on" in menu mode and shoot thereafter, there is a tremendous lag between pressing the shutter and exposure and subsequent review of the image takes an inordinately long duration to come up on the LCD screen. This doesn't happen when the LCD is used. So I've switched the external VF to off - but still shoot by looking though it. Works fine....! Brent, Nipppa - You've just saved me and a lot of D-Lux 4 owners shelling out on the X1 viewfinder. Many thanks, indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted August 8, 2010 Share #7 Posted August 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) With all due respect, I disagree: the D-Lux 4 original viewfinder's inner marks do correspond with the 28mm focal length, not with the 35mm. I own both that viewfinder and a M9 (which has a 28mm frame), and therefore can compare what is seen through this and that device. But perhaps my VF is different, I bought it nearly 2 years ago, and in the meantime the newer ones have 24 + 35 instead 24 + 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippa Posted August 8, 2010 Share #8 Posted August 8, 2010 This slip comes with the viewfinder As you can see it is 35mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 8, 2010 Share #9 Posted August 8, 2010 That's a better situation for glasses wearers too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharookh Posted August 9, 2010 Author Share #10 Posted August 9, 2010 Manollo _ Nippa beat me to posting the image of the slip. But as you can see from both posts, the VF does conform to 35mm as well. Well done, Nippa. I have tried it and it works brilliantly!! Similar to the framelines in the "M" viewfinder, it just about allows the photographer to be aware of an object entering the frame, prior to the image being taken It would have been nice if Leica mentioned the compatibility of this VF with the X-1. It would save quite a few people the effort of locating the VF dedicated for the X-1, specially as it is hard to come by in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted August 10, 2010 Share #11 Posted August 10, 2010 Of course, it's impossible to negate the evidence: if you and the Leica documentation affirms it, it must be true, but nevertheless the inner frame of my D-Lux 4 VF does indicate the field of a 28, I am 100% sure. The explanation is therefore that Leica did some VF's with the 24-28 frames, and others with the 24-35 frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharookh Posted August 10, 2010 Author Share #12 Posted August 10, 2010 Although I have no knowledge of the 24-28mm VF, you may be right..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 10, 2010 Share #13 Posted August 10, 2010 Of course, it's impossible to negate the evidence: if you and the Leica documentation affirms it, it must be true, but nevertheless the inner frame of my D-Lux 4 VF does indicate the field of a 28, I am 100% sure.The explanation is therefore that Leica did some VF's with the 24-28 frames, and others with the 24-35 frames. The best way to determine this, in my opinion, is to perform your own tests. When I first got my X1, I attached the D-Lux 4 VF and made several exposures, comparing my images to what I was seeing in the VF. The match was very good when using the inner frame lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 10, 2010 Share #14 Posted August 10, 2010 Another consideration - what about horizontal offset (not just vertical)? Since the x1 has an off center hotshoe, that's one of the large issues with the helios. I would think this has to be a consideration with the dlux 4 vf vs the x1 as well, given the size differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelekim Posted August 10, 2010 Share #15 Posted August 10, 2010 I'm interested in the D-Lux 4 viewfinder for my X1. (The one designed for X1 is too hard to find.) I read that it's in 4:3 aspect. Could anyone confirm about this? If it is, I'm afraid I have to go the hard way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted August 10, 2010 Share #16 Posted August 10, 2010 I'm interested in the D-Lux 4 viewfinder for my X1. (The one designed for X1 is too hard to find.) I read that it's in 4:3 aspect. Could anyone confirm about this? If it is, I'm afraid I have to go the hard way. What you see when using the D-Lux 4 VF does not match up perfectly with the resulting image, but depending on how tightly one frames, it's very easy to get used to the discrepency and allow for it when shooting. If you are a stickler for accuracy and want to frame shots precisely, then you likely should wait for the X1 VF. I'm not sure if the VF is in 4:3, but it could well be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted August 10, 2010 Share #17 Posted August 10, 2010 The D-Lux 4 VF's ratio is 2:3. And yes, I did my own testing in regard to its inner frame. It's curious that the VF's support (the link between it and the shoe, so to say) is off center: the VF is therefore not in the vertical of the lens, there is a small lateral parallax. The only way of knowing if the D-Lux 4 VF works 100% well on the X1 is comparing its performance with the X1 VF's one, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelekim Posted August 11, 2010 Share #18 Posted August 11, 2010 The D-Lux 4 VF's ratio is 2:3.And yes, I did my own testing in regard to its inner frame. It's curious that the VF's support (the link between it and the shoe, so to say) is off center: the VF is therefore not in the vertical of the lens, there is a small lateral parallax. The only way of knowing if the D-Lux 4 VF works 100% well on the X1 is comparing its performance with the X1 VF's one, obviously. I see. Has anyone compared them? Does the D-Lux 4 VF work as good as X1 VF? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelekim Posted August 16, 2010 Share #19 Posted August 16, 2010 Got an X1 viewfinder finally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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