batmax Posted August 24, 2006 Share #1 Posted August 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi , I own both of this spectacular lenses but now I have decided to sell one of this because have no reason to have focal lenght . the idea is to exchange the summicron with the 35 mm 1,4 summilux . Is it a good idea ?? My summicron is 70' lenses very sharp and good. Ciao Max Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest leica_mage Posted August 24, 2006 Share #2 Posted August 24, 2006 Hi , I own both of this spectacular lenses but now I have decided to sell one of this because have no reason to have focal lenght . the idea is to exchange the summicron with the 35 mm 1,4 summilux . Is it a good idea ?? My summicron is 70' lenses very sharp and good. Ciao Max Max, which 35 'lux? The ASPH or the pre-ASPH? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmax Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share #3 Posted August 24, 2006 The Asph I think ... I heard is very good Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 24, 2006 Share #4 Posted August 24, 2006 Difficult question to answer without knowing how often you use the Nocti, especially at f1, and how comfortable you'd be at carrying it around all day. I'd be tempted to trade in the Summicon for the 35mm 'lux, and trade in the Nocti for a 50mm 'lux. That way you get the fast 35mm and a faster 50mm than the Summicron. I have the same two lenses and have been toying with the idea of selling them and buying a 50mm 'lux for some time. I've more or less decided to wait and see how well they perform on the M8 before I make any decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmax Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted August 24, 2006 thanks steve, well I use the noct not all days but is very usfull if you take pictures with 50 iso stock . you can shoot during the day and also in late afternoon .. of course is bigger than summicron but you can use in low light and as a normal lens. the idea to wait the m8 is a good idea ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leica_mage Posted August 24, 2006 Share #6 Posted August 24, 2006 I mostly agree with Steve, though parting with a Nocti could be something you'd come to regret. It is a totally unique lens. But then again, the 50mm ASPH 'lux is Leica's single greatest lens ever!! But yes, dunk the 'cron for the 35mm ASPH 'lux... Cheers, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 24, 2006 Share #7 Posted August 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new 50 F1.4 ASPH is so good it is difficult not to choose it over the Noctilux. In fact I find enough difference between it and the 35 f1.4 ASPH, that I rarely use that lens anymore. I do intend to experiment with the Noctilux and the M8 when it arrives. If the M8 may figure in your plans, you might want to consider the 28 Summicron instead of the 35 mm lens because of the 1.3 crop factor. The noise level is usually low enough in the digitals that you can easily gain that extra stop when needed simply by cranking up the ISO setting when needed (which is a luxury afforded by digital - frame 10 can be ISO 1000, and frame 11 ISO 100). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leica_mage Posted August 24, 2006 Share #8 Posted August 24, 2006 The new 50 F1.4 ASPH is so good it is difficult not to choose it over the Noctilux. In fact I find enough difference between it and the 35 f1.4 ASPH, that I rarely use that lens anymore. [...] Bill, I'm very interested in this particular remark of yours, since I'm debating the purchase of the 35mm ASPH 'lux (I already have the ASPH 'cron). What would you say are the differences between the 35 and 50 ASPH 'luxes (FL apart, obviously!!) - especially in terms of tonality? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted August 24, 2006 Share #9 Posted August 24, 2006 The 35 'lux is a great lens. So I agree with the others, sell the 'cron. If you want a compact , light weight and wondereful 50mm, get a second hand Elmar-M. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted August 24, 2006 Share #10 Posted August 24, 2006 Max, I have owned and used all these lenses. I no longer have the Nocti, as I developed a dislike for the images that come from it. the lens is too hard for my liking. I also swapped my 'cron for a 'cron asph. Nice lens. I would recommend against the 35 non-asph. This lens exhibits a lot of flare, particularly in low light work with oncoming light sources (sorry, if you think that's just the definition of flare) and the resulting images are flat, lack color saturation, and have poor definition. I now use the 35mm f1.4 asph -- and this is a SUPERB lens. All my complaints about the non-asph are solved. I do a lot of stage photography and flare is always a problem. If you do the 35, absolutely get the asph lens. As to which 50 go get rid of, if you haven't found that you prefer one or the other of the 50's, then you'll get more money for the Nocti. Bear in mind that Leica is expected to bring some new lenses out at Photokina (end of September). The lenses you have will probably not change in value much before then. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 24, 2006 Share #11 Posted August 24, 2006 Noct is the best choice. Very artistic lens.! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 24, 2006 Share #12 Posted August 24, 2006 Noct is the best choice. Very artistic lens.! What pray tell is an 'artistic' lens? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 24, 2006 Share #13 Posted August 24, 2006 Artistic lens = good balance between in focus and bokeh sections... not the highest resolution but has wonderful contrast in extreme conditions... that's artistry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted August 24, 2006 Share #14 Posted August 24, 2006 Some people say that if you need a Noct, you know it. I have one and love it - BUT - it does have a very unique signature as we are all aware of. Out of the M Lenses I own - it would prob be the last one I ever sold. It suits my shooting style well, and I like the weird side effects I sometimes get with it. From what I hear about the new 50 1.4 Asph, it's phenomenal though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 24, 2006 Share #15 Posted August 24, 2006 Yes the new asph is awesome but it would be clinical too much for some tastes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hagen Posted August 24, 2006 Share #16 Posted August 24, 2006 Sell both of them and buy the Summilux 35 ASPH and the Summicron 75 APO ASPH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 24, 2006 Share #17 Posted August 24, 2006 What pray tell is an 'artistic' lens? Steve, he means photos like your series in Belgium - the bridges. Do you still have those up somewhere? If so, you should post the link. K.P, As far as the look of the out of focus areas, I don’t remember what, if any differences I saw, but the sharpness of the 50 is superb - I remember the difference being enough that I simply stopped using the 35 (which is a very good lens). I like the 75 Summicron even more, but it does not work on the little Epson. If I can find the RD-1, I can look for an appropriate subject to shoot with both lenses (35 and 50). Maybe I can borrow one of those fine young things Dean photographs. (But don’t hold your breath....). Does Erwin Puts have MTFs of both lenses up on his site? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted August 24, 2006 Share #18 Posted August 24, 2006 Max, I will add to my posting above: The older Leica lenses have a different signature from the new, ASPH lenses, particularly as regards b/w images. While I have touted the 35mm f1.4 asph and the 50mm f1.4 asph, I also own a 50mm f2.0 DR lens. Like the Nocti users above, I would not part with this lens. So, what I would add would be to keep one of your older lenses in order to retain the special characteristics of that group of lenses. The asph lenses are sharper -- and suited to color work, for example. They give great color saturation, detail, and so forth. The older lenses have a sort of magic to them even tho they miss the saturation and detail of the newer designs. I would say they exhibit a characteristic of warmth that is missing from the asph lenses. BTW, when you posted your original question, it would have been helpful to me to know all the lenses you have. You have a later post in which you mention that you already have some of the lenses recommended by others. If you haven't made up your mind, why don't you list your lenses and then restate your question. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted August 24, 2006 Share #19 Posted August 24, 2006 This thread has grabbed my interest in asph lenses again. Just wondering if anyone has used both the Summicron and Summilux 35mm asph lenses, and can make comments about their experience. I have used the Summicron-M 35 asph (very nice lens) for 4 years, and since acquiring the amazing Summilux-M 50 asph nearly 2 years ago have been most curious about how the 35 Summicron asph compares with the 35 Summilux asph.? (I can imagine it's a difficult question to answer because not too many would have used both lenses, ..but just in case) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted August 24, 2006 Share #20 Posted August 24, 2006 "The new 50 F1.4 ASPH is so good it is difficult not to choose it over the Noctilux. In fact I find enough difference between it and the 35 f1.4 ASPH, that I rarely use that lens anymore." I find this statement interesting, and at odds with it since the view angle is different. Bill, can you expand on it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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