etienne_werner Posted November 23, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Today I was at a Leica demo day at my local camera dealer. There I talked to a man called Eric from Transcontinental (Leica importer for the Netherlands). He told me something which, at least for me, was totaly new: In approximatley one year Leica is going to bring out a new M camera. This will be B&W only and will be 33Mega pixels!! He had just heard this from Germany. I also asked about the fixes for the M8. He said that Leica would have the annoucement ready by tomorrow but it would be officialy annouced Monday. Don't know if his info is correct as have no way to check. Kind regards, Etienne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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miami91 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 23, 2006 33 megapixels on a (still) less than full frame sensor, presumably? Is this really something to look forward to? I know noise is less problematic in B&W, but resolution really doesn't seem to be one of the shortcomings of the currrent M8... Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 23, 2006 Share #3 Posted November 23, 2006 33MP in a 1.33x sensor or 24x36??? I hope this story won't put Eric in trouble but if it's credible then it's certainly the very best one I've heard since I jumped on this board!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LEICA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r_smith Posted November 23, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 23, 2006 Buy yourself a big, fast hard disk first John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivek Iyer Posted November 23, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 23, 2006 See this:http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9642-poll-who-would-purchase-b-w.html Not exactly a big innovation as they can do that with the current M8/sensor. Hope, it will be a reasonably priced (around $2,500 or less) camera if/when it hits the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #6 Posted November 23, 2006 whoa ! look out hubble Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSmelik Posted November 23, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hope they do a better job on that than there freshly introduced M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 23, 2006 See this:http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9642-poll-who-would-purchase-b-w.html Not exactly a big innovation as they can do that with the current M8/sensor. Hope, it will be a reasonably priced (around $2,500 or less) camera if/when it hits the market. That seems to be a fairly idle hope. The basic camera without electronics ( approx. M7) sells for far more than that. I would guess: 500$ more than the M8, as it will be a far smaller series with less units sold to recover R&D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted November 23, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2006 Assuming the 1.33FOV sensor size, 33MP would be roughly 7036 X 4690; 3.8µm pixels and 130 lp/mm max. With no Bayer filter or AA filter, that could really get interesting. B&W only sensors do need a color response filter or you will get Tech Pan like color response and that might include a different IR approach than the M8, too. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj37 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #10 Posted November 23, 2006 See this:http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9642-poll-who-would-purchase-b-w.html Not exactly a big innovation as they can do that with the current M8/sensor. I read that post in the other thread, and I don't think it's correct. The current sensor doesn't have separate 10-megapixel arrays for R, G and B. Each photosite actually reads only one color value (the one for which it's filtered); its values for the other two colors are estimated from those of the adjacent pixels, using a "Bayer dither" algorithm. (Correct, technical maven members?) If I'm right, the sensor still supplies only 10mp of luminance data, and removing the filter array would not change this. The only advantage I can see would be that the sensor would be a bit more light-sensitive, since it wouldn't have the color filters absorbing some of the light hitting each photosite. (Even this might not provide as big an advantage as you might think, since presumably the sensor would need SOME kind of overall filtration to give it something approaching normal panchromatic sensitivity.) So -- Special b&w-only version of the M8, with somewhat higher max EI rating and potentially lower noise at lower ratings? Yes, I could imagine that. Special M8 with above features plus 33 megapixels from current sensor? No, I think that's much less likely. Maybe the importer rep was getting his "information" from speculations he was reading right here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canlogic Posted November 23, 2006 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2006 Maybe they plan on taking the returned M8s and turning them into BW only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflachmann Posted November 23, 2006 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2006 Sounds very much like a rumor to me. There is no such ccd on the market, a 33 MP full-frame ccd would be very expensive and it is totaly untypical for Leica, to talk about this kind of future plans to dealers or even importers. We should also keep in mind, that Steven K. Lee (member of the board of management) identified the very high prices of Leicas key products as the most important challenge for the next years. Well, never say never, but ... Jens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted November 23, 2006 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2006 May be he is takling about a SINAR cam, the SINAR company in switzelrnad heas be bought bei Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 23, 2006 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2006 There is no such ccd on the market ... Companies normally don't adopt a known (old) CCD/CMOS sensor "on the market". You didn't know Canon had 11MP FF CMOS before the 1Ds was introduced, you didn't know Sony sold Nikon a 12.8MP CMOS before the D2X hit the press ... although I still doubt the authenticity of the "news", I wouldn't be surprised at all that one of the companies could make a 33MP sensor in either 1.33x or 35mm full size ... look at the D2X CMOS which a 5.49 µm pixel pitch, if Sony cut them into 35 FF size, how many pixels would it have? ... do the simple math ... plus, that's how many years ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 23, 2006 Share #15 Posted November 23, 2006 May be he is takling about a SINAR cam, the SINAR company in switzelrnad heas be bought bei Leica. That's what I suspect as well ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted November 23, 2006 Share #16 Posted November 23, 2006 My dealer confirmed (the Canon rep tipped him off) that this camera will be made, but only in a limited run of 500 with a gold-plated top and bottom, sporting magenta-dyed lizard skin on the body, and packed as a kit with a 35mm f0.5 Super Summicron ASPH lens. It will only be sold to wealthy Japanese collectors who sign a contract guaranteeing that they'll never break the seal on the box. If you're going to start a rumor, it might as well be a good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billhart Posted November 23, 2006 Share #17 Posted November 23, 2006 Actually, when in Germany at Photokina I was told the B&W M8 (which is due in the spring) will be 17MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #18 Posted November 23, 2006 more possible with a CCD than a CMOS i would have thought Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 23, 2006 Share #19 Posted November 23, 2006 Actually, when in Germany at Photokina I was told the B&W M8 (which is due in the spring) will be 17MP. I don't really care about the pixel count, whether it's CCD or CMOS - if Leica will ever make such a camera ... please, give it a sensible name - don't call it a M8m, M8-2 or whatsover - and the classic look of the MP 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted November 23, 2006 Share #20 Posted November 23, 2006 the name would be: M HCB - M Henri-C.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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