sdai Posted November 23, 2006 Share #41 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M lens will not fit on a 5D. In fact, there are ways to adapt the M lenses to an EOS camera body ... a decent macro setup to use them as extension tubes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 23, 2006 Posted November 23, 2006 Hi sdai, Take a look here Well, I sold my M8.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wilfredo Posted November 23, 2006 Share #42 Posted November 23, 2006 Jack, I really like the tone of this thread and it really reflects the better side of Leica shooters. I got blasted and accused of taking every opportunity I can find to whine and complain about Leica (on another forum) simply for stating my disatisfaction with how the introduction of the M8 had been handled by Leica. I won't go into that but I was made to feel like a I was violating a sacred commandment in the Leica world ("thou shall not betray the Leica logo"). So, I am relieved to see level headed responses here, and like you I am somewhat surprised. The responses I've read here reflect a high level of maturity, kudos to all of you for not getting defensive about a name brand. And Jack, I think you have made a very sound decision! Cheers, Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 23, 2006 Share #43 Posted November 23, 2006 Jacko, I didn't create that roller bag of Canon gear in Photoshop ... I'm a Canon user big time ... it's my main wedding rig. After 500 must have shots a wedding, I know every trick in the book about AF, exposure, and what-ever. But no fair blowing smoke up rears concerning Canon wides ... they're Canon's Achilles' heel. It's the distortion not the sharpness. Some of the wides are downirght comical, and the the 35/1.4 is no exception. The difference between the Canon 24 and the M 24 is there to see. But would I give up any of the Canon gear? Not on your life. I just don't want to carry it around for 8 straight hours. That's where the M come in : -) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted November 23, 2006 Share #44 Posted November 23, 2006 I fully understand your decision. Especially the arguments about the filter in front of lens issue, which is a ridiculous solution for Leica and this price region :-(((Peter When the Nikon D1 came out, it forced the users to accept a 1.5x factor and no lens designed for the sensor was available to cover wide-angle needs. Some could say this is ridiculous. No everybody is used to it and Nikon came out with the DX lenses. When the Eos20D had some focusing issue, one had to send it back with all the lenses, including the expensive ones to let Canon find a "best compromise" for the AF. And should the set of lenses change, the process would have to be done again. Slightly ridiculous. Since the Eos1Ds & Eos1DsII camera came out, some people have used Zeiss & Leica wide-angles because no Canon lens can give excellent results in the corners. So they had to spend extra money on top of the most expensive 35mm base DSLR to use a MF lens on an AF body with no preselection. Quite ridiculous. So maybe the filter solution is not that ridiculous. Maybe any new technology implies compromises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven Posted November 23, 2006 Share #45 Posted November 23, 2006 ok just a short thing. I own a 1DsMk2 and a 5D. Now I will certainly get myself a nice M8, for the times I don't want to or I can't cary that much. I know the follwoing is a little of topic, but as nice as a 1 with 22Mp and full colour would be, how should that work ? I mean Most (not all of them) of all L series Canon lenses are at their limit with the current model. Not even talking about wides.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maio Posted November 23, 2006 Share #46 Posted November 23, 2006 ..it'd be interesting to know how many M8 owners also shoot an SLR system, and what it is...my feeling is that for street photography, nothing is as important as the photographer's body language, and if you're happier with the 5D, that might well show up in the work...Good luck with it. JC I use the D2X extensively for portraiture (headshots). I might consider replacing it with the Fuji S5 at some point if the hype about skin tones and better DR prove out. Its a fine camera. I also have a 5D and 1D2. I like the 1D2 for action stuff and the 5D especially for low light stuff. I bought the M7 a couple of years back because I always wanted one, and I use it mostly for recording the passing scene and travel. I do not find waiting an hour or so for film to be processed and then morphing into the digital domain with my Nikon CoolScan 5000 to be particularly bothersome. It wouldn't work for a heavy commercial workflow, but it works fine for my purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 23, 2006 Share #47 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) But would I give up any of the Canon gear? Not on your life. I just don't want to carry it around for 8 straight hours. That's where the M come in : -) You found a way to make the M8 carry your Canon gear? That is brilliant, please share your secret! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share #48 Posted November 23, 2006 Jacko, I didn't create that roller bag of Canon gear in Photoshop ... I'm a Canon user big time ... it's my main wedding rig. After 500 must have shots a wedding, I know every trick in the book about AF, exposure, and what-ever. But no fair blowing smoke up rears concerning Canon wides ... they're Canon's Achilles' heel. It's the distortion not the sharpness. Some of the wides are downirght comical, and the the 35/1.4 is no exception. The difference between the Canon 24 and the M 24 is there to see. But would I give up any of the Canon gear? Not on your life. I just don't want to carry it around for 8 straight hours. That's where the M come in : -) Marc, I know you use that Canon gear -- and use it heavily! But seriously, before you tramp the Canon wides, you need to try some *NEW* ones, preferably made in the last year. They are significantly improved over their predecessors. I can shoot that little 28/1.8 wide open and it is really nice in the center with great Bokeh. Yes the corners are soft at f1.8 and the contrast is a bit low, but for a fast 28 who cares? Frankly, it is a nice effect for street or your particular style of wedding candids... Plus it gets really good across the image and good contrast at around f2.8. It is NOTHING like the 28/1.8's of a few years back that were horrible 2/3 out at all apertures... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share #49 Posted November 23, 2006 ok just a short thing. I own a 1DsMk2 and a 5D. Now I will certainly get myself a nice M8, for the times I don't want to or I can't cary that much. I know the follwoing is a little of topic, but as nice as a 1 with 22Mp and full colour would be, how should that work ? I mean Most (not all of them) of all L series Canon lenses are at their limit with the current model. Not even talking about wides.... A totally different topic and it is a hefty ongoing arguemnt, but the short answer is I take the side that claims Foeveon style resolution is not really like having that same amount of full Bayer resolution -- it's probably closer to 70%, so 22MP Foeveon is probably more like 14-16MP Bayer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkag Posted November 23, 2006 Share #50 Posted November 23, 2006 I think Marc is commenting on the barrel distortion of the wides rather than the sharpness. The distortion gets on my nerves too although it can easily be corrected through a plugin like PTLens with one mouseclick. It's another story when you've gotta see through that distortion when you're shooting. Enjoy the 5d Jack - it's a sweet cam and I agree with you about about it not being much of a difference than carrying around Ms. As for discreet shooting, I've found that size and shutter sound are of much less importance than how comfortable you are with what you are shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 23, 2006 Share #51 Posted November 23, 2006 ok just a short thing. I own a 1DsMk2 and a 5D. Now I will certainly get myself a nice M8, for the times I don't want to or I can't cary that much. I know the following is a little of topic, but as nice as a 1 with 22Mp and full colour would be, how should that work ? I mean Most (not all of them) of all L series Canon lenses are at their limit with the current model. Not even talking about wides.... A couple more short things...all meant in good spirit Jack, of course. I'm only sorry I can't get down to Arizona myself; sounds like you guys will have a great time! 1) I owned a 1ds2 and a 5d. I just sold the 1ds2 on the strength of the M8 files. I just spent the morning doing stuff I would never do with the Canons and Canon glass (and would barely do with the DMR)--like shooting straight into the sun near noon, looking for shadow details in bright contrasty shots. And holy heck man. Into the sun, the resultant shadow detail is heartbreakingly, ridiculously good. Like, I'm not believing what I'm seeing here...(post below!) I'm finding in test prints that at ISO 160-640 the M8 has just over a stop more room in the bottom end than the Canon 1ds2, which is better than the 5d. That is saying something, folks! I still cannot believe it: the M8 is the first "HDR" portable device I've seen yet. Part of the goodness here is that it handles like the DMR on the high end; the other part is the glass. Virtually no flare effects--just a very little bit (which can be a bad thing, I guess--lots of folks like the look of flare), no matter what I open this up to or stop it down to. That's the 28 ASPH Elmarit we're talking... Ay carumba. 2) Marc is absolutely completely right on about the distortion being the problem with Canon wide glass, not edge sharpness. Heck--this is why I bought that Oly from you Jack and that started me down the whole Leica road. Yes--I have Jack (and Guy) to blame for that... I was a happy Canon shooter: CPS and everything! 3) I can hand-hold the M8 about 2 stops slower than the Canons, without IS (with IS it's a dead heat--but no-one is going street shooting with the 70-200 2.8L IS ) At least not inconspicuously! 4) "CA" on Canon L glass. Even the 85 1.2 has this bizarre purple and green fringing on areas of high contrast. Yuck. Don't see that with the Lieca R or M glass. 5) Focus... Well, I like Canon's AF. I use it exactly the same way Jack does. But at receptions, or dark churches, it just doesn't cut it. I know all the tricks, but I traded for a DMR just to be able to see something, and not a blinking AF indicator while I miss shot after shot after shot. So I'm hyperfocusing anyway--may as well be able to see the scene! Ah... but a 1ds3 with a Foveon... I've heard those rumours, too These uploaded shots all taken without filters 28 Elmarit ASPH at ISO 320 (I think--not higher). The second shot is the 100% crop of the first, but you have to see the print. Processed in C1 with my fantasy-chrome-like profile. Seemed the right thing to do on a sunny day! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9899-well-i-sold-my-m8/?do=findComment&comment=102056'>More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share #52 Posted November 23, 2006 Jamie: Excellent comments as usual! Yes, there is no arguing the M glass' ability to shoot directly into the sun wihtout adverse flare, at least with most of the newer lenses. I performed the same directly-nto-the-sun test with my M8 and 35 Cron Asph and got the same result -- a 255/255/255 blown center section with no weird flare points and no weird color aberrations at high contrast shadowed edges. Amazing really. And I totally understand your selling the 1Ds2 after seeing the M8 files. I've sold mine too, primarily to go to a 33/39MP MF back, but right now am simply waiting to see what develops on the Canon 1 horizon. If nothing interesting happens with the 1's, I may buy a pair of the next batch of M8's and live with filters over the glass... Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 23, 2006 Share #53 Posted November 23, 2006 Jamie: Excellent comments as usual! Yes, there is no arguing the M glass' ability to shoot directly into the sun wihtout adverse flare, at least with most of the newer lenses. I performed the same directly-nto-the-sun test with my M8 and 35 Cron Asph and got the same result -- a 255/255/255 blown center section with no weird flare points and no weird color aberrations at high contrast shadowed edges. Amazing really. And I totally understand your selling the 1Ds2 after seeing the M8 files. I've sold mine too, primarily to go to a 33/39MP MF back, but right now am simply waiting to see what develops on the Canon 1 horizon. Cheers, And cheers right back! The Canon 1 horizon *was* the other big reason to sell the 1ds2, I fully admit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 23, 2006 Share #54 Posted November 23, 2006 5D with 17-40L not even into the sun. Unmanipulated exposure. What is going on in that image? Another reason for an M8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9899-well-i-sold-my-m8/?do=findComment&comment=102117'>More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 23, 2006 Share #55 Posted November 23, 2006 You found a way to make the M8 carry your Canon gear? That is brilliant, please share your secret! It's no secret Mr. Smarty Pants, it's called an assistant. Besides, even when I'm alone, the big stuff is in a roller bag ... I don't sling it over my back. I'm talking about carrying the camera and lens, bent over, squatting, kneeling, up again, bending, squating, leaning, after 8 hours of that, the difference between a Canon and M is VERY noticable. But, you have a point ... for $5000. the M8 SHOULD carry the Canons for me .... LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 24, 2006 Share #56 Posted November 24, 2006 Marc, I fully agree. I am trading my 5D for the M8 for exactly the same reason: size and weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share #57 Posted November 24, 2006 And cheers right back! The Canon 1 horizon *was* the other big reason to sell the 1ds2, I fully admit It was a bit of a timing gamble, but one I think will pay us dividends longer term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest umb Posted November 24, 2006 Share #58 Posted November 24, 2006 >> And I have grown accustomed to Canon's excellent autofocus and superb metering -- and multi-segment evaluative metering is just a lot better than center-weighted when you are working fast. Right you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph S. Wisniewski Posted November 24, 2006 Share #59 Posted November 24, 2006 Don't believe everything college tutors say. Just think, why are ther 'tutoring' instead of doing. In my case (MSEE and BFA) photography pays less than engineering, but I often find it more satisfactory. Teaching pays even less than either shooting or engineering, but I still teach, again because there's something fulfilling about sharing. If you haven't done it, it's hard to make it make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 24, 2006 Share #60 Posted November 24, 2006 You just freed up an M8 for one of us who really want one. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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