peterb Posted November 23, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) At Amazon a new Digilux 3 runs about $2499 (Down $301 from the $2800 list!). A new Lumix DMC-L1 goes for $1645. 3 year warranty aside, is the firmware on the Digilux 3 worth the extra $845? And if you shoot RAW, since there's no in-camera processing, is there then any difference at all? Just curious. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 23, 2006 its a good bet that the Leica Digilux 3 prices are somewhat locked to Panasonic L1 prices Panasonic are one of the largest consumer electronics organisations in the world it is said that every Japanese home has a Panasonic product Panasonic marketing has been very successful they usually engage in a strategy called skimming the price begins very high, and slowly comes down the best comparison i can give you is that of the VCR video prices began at inception at over $1,000, and in the end were at around $100 Leica have to take into account the warranty period which far exceeds panasonic there are enough D2 owners here that would attest to the worth of that then there is the additional work done within settings Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrique Santa Posted November 23, 2006 Share #3 Posted November 23, 2006 I was waiting for digilux3, because I want to upgrade my d lux2 . I like too much the pics of the cam, but the cam itself doesn´t arrive in Spain. So I want to a pana-center, to take a look at L1. Big deception , is extremely big, and heavy. I´m not a big man 1,70m tall, the cam look designed for those about 1,90m with very,very big hands and Rambo-look . so I´ll wait next year products from Leica. I think Leica must think in the price of their cam made in colaboration with Panasonic. It is no sense to pay 30%-40% plus, only for the red dot, and some adjustement, that you can make yourself. When you buy an L1, you buy an exceptional lenses, made buy Leica, and a box for two years life, I don´t understand to pay more for the same box with some exterior changes. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 23, 2006 actually i dont think its a lot different in size to LC-1/Digilux 2 although the lens is considerably larger, given the OIS onboard and it looks like they dont intend to market as 'body only' Riley pictured are LC-1 foreground, and L1 background Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9895-digilux-3-vs-lumix-prices/?do=findComment&comment=101592'>More sharing options...
akiralx Posted November 23, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 23, 2006 And if you shoot RAW, since there's no in-camera processing, is there then any difference at all? P On some Panasonic forums there is a debate as to whether the Venus III engine does do some processing even in RAW - whether it's true I don't know. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #6 Posted November 23, 2006 If it's still on, I believe there's a Leica day tomorrow at RGLewis. I have a list of D3(L1) questions to ask. If I get any meaningful answers I'll post them, naturally! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Brian might be worthwhile to make sure the L1 firmware fix has been applied to D3 and the intent on 'body only' ....or not selling Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 23, 2006 Brianmight be worthwhile to make sure the L1 firmware fix has been applied to D3 and the intent on 'body only' ....or not selling Riley The incorporation if the L1 fix is my first question! Body only or with choice of lens (e.g. the 25/1.4) is another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 23, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Brian, If you do get a chance, the most interesting question for me would be prices for body and lens only. I can probably source a cheap panasonic body if they do plan to split, but my intent is to wait until the 25mm f1.4 comes out next year and use that as my main lens. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #10 Posted November 23, 2006 just as an aside i dont think you would have any difficulty selling the fitted lens i am aware from other circles that Olympus owners are very interested aided by the fact that its four thirds compatible Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2006 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2006 It might be interesting to consider resale value. I've seen Digiluxes 2 on e-bay for ridiculous prices, up to 1700$ for a complete set.. Panasonics - I don't know. They don't seem to sell too well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2006 The firmware upgrade is *absolutely* included in the D3. I have a D3, and it allows burst shooting in RAW mode. Since this was impossible in the L1 pre-firmware upgrade, it's obvious that Leica addressed this issue prior to shipping the D3. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted November 23, 2006 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2006 One other thing: The price of the D3 has not dropped --- 2499 USD is the standard price all dealers are charging. That's what I paid at Park Square Camera, that's what Amazon's charging, B&H, etc. Where Amazon comes up with it's "list" prices I'm not sure --- they just want to convince you that you're getting a great deal! Now the L1, on the other hand, may have come down in price in the few months its been out. I believe when first released it's SRP was 1999 USD. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 23, 2006 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2006 resale is definately part of the picture i have seen D2 kits with 'buy it now' prices of US$2,200 generally they are looking for US$1,700 LC-1 come in cheap occasionaly at US$1,000 more often than not US$1,200 + and as far out as US$1,400 for mint examples with box and all the bits Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted November 24, 2006 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2006 First to continue the D2 price watch.... the last two I checked on that auction site went for £545 and $1026 whicch is about £570. Of 6 currently listed (this is quite a high number compared with some months ago) the 3 with high starting prices do not seem to be attracting bids. I went to RGL today and spoke to the Leica rep. who predictably was somewhat vague in his answers. As Jeffrey said the L1 firmware update is included, and reference was made to it being more "Leica like". Make of that what you will. I could not get much info about the R lens adapter - price and availability "Spring 2007" possibly at the PMA(?). RGL's view was that there might be a surge of interest in R lenses. He hoped that the 25/1.4 and the 14-150 OIS would be out by "Spring". No plans for anything wider than the 14mm currently on offer. As far as he was aware no plans for an all-black body. Can use the D2 battery - but slightly shorter life as smaller capacity. He was equally vague about body-only sales. He did indicate that perhaps an option to select what lens was ordered with the body may be instituted in the future (note the perhaps-es and may-s) when more lenses are available. He did say it was intended to be a system camera and I got the distinct impression that it or future models would be to the same system, but don't hold me to it! If one looks and the Panaleica lens road map it's going to be 2+ years to get all the proposed lenses onto the market so that makes sense. Whether or not there will be another body in that time - your guess is as good as mine. All in all not a lot of hard facts - sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 24, 2006 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2006 Thanks for that Brian. An 'O' Level in vagueness combined with an 'A' level in dissembling appears to be part of the training for a Leica rep, regardless of nationality! Interesting stuff, though. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted November 24, 2006 Share #17 Posted November 24, 2006 oh ja but for wide lens on the D3 you can revert to any of the four thirds system lenses that includes the very excellent Olympus wides, my fav is the 11-22 these are pro quality sealed lenses, but they dont come cheap Riley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fboyd Posted November 25, 2006 Share #18 Posted November 25, 2006 The only reason to spend more is because you want the Leica version, not for a different and or better image quality. Some will buy it because it says Leica, and this is a great reason. I have to admit, I purchased my D1 & D2 over the Pany versions because they said Leica. But not because of any image upgrade. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/9895-digilux-3-vs-lumix-prices/?do=findComment&comment=103369'>More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted November 25, 2006 Share #19 Posted November 25, 2006 Continuing impressive photos Fred. I am inclined towards the Leica version, mainly because I prefer the chrome finish which does seem more durable than the black Pana, even if that does make the camera more conspicuous. So to poach onto that other thread, I would be more likely to tape over the Lumix name out of embarrassment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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