jsrockit Posted October 2, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 2, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand how a 50mm leica lens, when used on the M8, will be a 66.5mm lens due to the crop factor of 1.33. However, what I can't find an answer to is how the viewfinders frame lines handle the crop factor. There aren't framelines for 66.5mm lenses on a Leica, so how does this work? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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viramati Posted October 2, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 2, 2009 this confused me at first. what is happening is that the framelines for 50mm or any other lens that has framelines is giving the corrected 1.33x view. so you see what you get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted October 2, 2009 Cool, that explains things and makes the most sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 2, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 2, 2009 The lens is still 50mm no matter what the crop factor is - it simply restricts the field of view compared to an uncropped sensor, just like mounting a 35mm slide in a mount with a reduced size rectangular cut-out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted October 2, 2009 The lens is still 50mm no matter what the crop factor is - it simply restricts the field of view compared to an uncropped sensor, just like mounting a 35mm slide in a mount with a reduced size rectangular cut-out. I understand, but you never know. I was just hoping that it wouldn't be a true 50mm frame line while using a 67mm equiv lens.... so things would be cropped and what I see isn't what I get. I knew Leica couldn't be this dumb though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afineman Posted October 3, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 3, 2009 fyi, the framelines are only optimized for the closes focusing distance - unless you get the .2 version - so you will get much more in when framing at distances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted October 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) fyi, the framelines are only optimized for the closes focusing distance - unless you get the .2 version - so you will get much more in when framing at distances. Meaning that I will get more in than I want? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted October 6, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 6, 2009 Meaning that I will get more in than I want? Yes, if you are shooting further away than 1m. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted October 6, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 6, 2009 Meaning that I will get more in than I want? I believe that Leica determined that it's better to get a little more in the picture, than not enough. It's easy to crop any unwanted area out of a picture, but impossible to add back something thats not there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted October 6, 2009 But we are talking about a little bit more... not a big amount right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 6, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 6, 2009 But we are talking about a little bit more... not a big amount right? With practice it is easy to walk closer and get the framing you desire. It does mean checking after the first shot, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted October 6, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 6, 2009 But we are talking about a little bit more... not a big amount right? As far as I can tell, it's only a small amount, and I wouldn't even notice it if I wasn't aware of it. Then again, I rarely frame my subjects so tightly that a little extra is noticeable. I find it better to know that I am not going to lose anything on close-ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted October 7, 2009 Ok, I'm just not a big fan of cropping outside of the camera. I'm a bit old school in the way that I like to get what I wanted in camera. However, as someone who used an M6 for a long time and is currently using an M2, I'm aware rangefinders are not perfect with regards to this aspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 7, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 7, 2009 Ok, I'm just not a big fan of cropping outside of the camera. I'm a bit old school in the way that I like to get what I wanted in camera. However, as someone who used an M6 for a long time and is currently using an M2, I'm aware rangefinders are not perfect with regards to this aspect. Sadly, cropping is often a necessary evil. HCB, the master would disagree but he never experienced shooting with the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 7, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 7, 2009 As far as I can tell, it's only a small amount, and I wouldn't even notice it if I wasn't aware of it. Then again, I rarely frame my subjects so tightly that a little extra is noticeable. I find it better to know that I am not going to lose anything on close-ups. I was considering upgrading the frame lines but the difference was too minimal to justify the inflated cost. After Leica jacked up the price to upgrade I let go of the idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted October 7, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 7, 2009 Sadly, cropping is often a necessary evil. HCB, the master would disagree but he never experienced shooting with the M8. But he would have like shooting with the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share #17 Posted October 8, 2009 Most of those old school guys would disagree... I guess a small amount of cropping isn't horrible, but too much makes me wonder why you just didn't make the photograph that way from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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