jrc Posted November 22, 2006 Share #1 Posted November 22, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I believe that Leica is trying to prepare a complete package of solutions for the problems that customers have encountered with the M8. However, I would be just as happy with parcelled-out information, as long as it was honest. Specifically, I have been told by a Leica dealer not to order filters, because Leica is working on a non-filter solution. At this point, and with the amount of knowledge seen on this site, and with comments reported from other dealers, it's hard to imagine what that might be -- but I don't want to be the guy who orders $1,000 worth of filters and to then find out that I don't need them. On the other hand, I don't want Leica to resume shipments, then announce that filters will be needed, so that while I was high on the list to receive an early M8, I'll be at the bottom of the list for ordering filters, and wind up finally getting a solution next summer. Right now there appears to be a world-wide filter hunt going on; I want to get on a list, if a list is needed. I really don't want people to counsel patience, because I have been patient. I think Leica must know by now if filters will be needed. If they would just say that, I would order filters. If they're trying to work out the exact details of a Leica plan for reduced-price filters or some other deal, that's fine, they can take their time on that -- but I would like to order a full-price filter or two right now so I can start using the filtered lenses now. I would also like to know if Leica now plans to have a menu-driven lens selection update on the firmware, because I'd like to know if I should send my lenses away for coding. I'd prefer not to, because that's another $1,000 or so that will be pointless if they go to a menu system. But now would be a good time to send off lenses if coding will definitely be needed, since we're in a slow period with camera shipments stopped or slowed. They should know by now if they're going to a menu, too, even if it's not ready. Just saying that, one way or another, would be a big help. In other words, I don't think it's necessary or even right to stay silent until the fixes are available. I would like some guidance now, and I'll take the fixes when they come. They may give us some guidance on Friday, but in their original announcement, they gave no specific time -- they simply said "over the next two weeks." Some assumed that meant last Monday, some assume that it means this Friday, but I think more likely it meant, "an indefinite but fairly short time." In other words, maybe not Friday. A little guidance on that would be good, too. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Hi jrc, Take a look here We need some guidance . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted November 22, 2006 Share #2 Posted November 22, 2006 I know it's not what you asked for, but my advice it to be patient. Leica have taken a lot of criticism for apprearing to release the M8 too early. The last thing I'd personally want them to do is release details of a solution that is still possibly being developed. In fact I'd prefer them to take three weeks or longer if that's what it takes for them to provide a definitive answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted November 22, 2006 Share #3 Posted November 22, 2006 Whatever Leica plans to anounce .. it has to be definitive .. otherwise they will get the whole disussion coming up again and again and will look like fools. So patience is the key indeed! With everything that they have said (officialy!!) about filters ... i would be highly surprised if they are not needed in the end. The Lawyers among us might come into action again .. to get a refund from Leica on the $1000 spent on filters not needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted November 22, 2006 Share #4 Posted November 22, 2006 The Lawyers among us might come into action again .. to get a refund from Leica on the $1000 spent on filters not needed Hi Han, I wish people would stop even joking about lawsuits which are a ridiculous idea in this case. I would say that two weeks means two weeks. Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 22, 2006 Share #5 Posted November 22, 2006 Here's my advice, and it's worth, well, whatever advice is worth I'm assuming you don't have an M8 yet. So don't be patient. Get yourself on a waiting list for an M8 if you like rangefinders--it's just a fabulous camera, really. It's going to be fixed one way or the other--so my advice is don't worry. Don't buy filters till you know you need them. Shoot with the thing for a couple of weeks. Heck--you can't find filters to buy right now anyway (at least I can't!), and Leica might supply their own specs for a filter, or might even give them away. Personally, I hope they take their time and fix the thing for use with no filters, but that's just me. One more piece of advice, which is admittedly a bit self defeating, but... Don't believe everything you read on the 'Net. I know, but it needs to be said. Having said that, when guys like Michael Reichmann (who understands workflow deeply and whose prints are breathtaking) or Sean or Guy (both of whom are exceptional photographers and depend on their gear for a living) all say "this thing is phenomenal" they're not just being nostalgiac, or overlooking the issues. So you don't have to be patient except on the filter purchase. Wait for the fix (and for M8s to start flowing) before you chase down stuff you might not even need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted November 22, 2006 Share #6 Posted November 22, 2006 "Don't be patient. Get yourself on a waiting list for an M8..." Exactly. When this resolves, having a position on line may save you a month! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 22, 2006 Share #7 Posted November 22, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The official announcement on the electronic fix will be made Friday. That word is straight from the company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted November 22, 2006 Share #8 Posted November 22, 2006 Chill out folks. After two years of planning for the event, I bought one in the early wave of M8 deliveries and can't imagine turning it back to the dealer despite the device's significant flaws. Here's what I recommend: push back from the keyboard, enjoy family and friends tonight and tomorrow then expect to see something positive from Leica when you next power up this Friday morning. Fortunately for me, we're going to be with friends all day tomorrow in another town so I'll physically be prevented from the temptation to steal away and peek at this site. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 22, 2006 Share #9 Posted November 22, 2006 I'm assuming you don't have an M8 yet. So don't be patient. Get yourself on a waiting list for an M8 if you like rangefinders--it's just a fabulous camera, really. It's going to be fixed one way or the other--so my advice is don't worry. Hi Jamie - hope you (and everyone else) doesn't jump on me for saying this - but in spite of your admirable optimism (and excellent work with profiles and other sterling efforts), i can't help feeling that caution may be the best course for those who are unsure. I'm feeling some trepidation that my number will actually come up soon, and even though there'll be a dozen people on this forum who'll say 'give me your place in the queue', when it actually comes to it, i doubt any of them will actually step forward in reality. The worry for me is that Leica will actually fix all the issues - but in a later revision, and then they'll be under no legal or financial obligation to replace cameras bought by early adopters. Now there's no doubt that it appears to be a great camera - all those who've paid their $5K for it seem to be sure of that - but unless an individual can live with it as it now is (faults and 'temporary' fixes and all), then maybe, just possibly, it might be better to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted November 22, 2006 Share #10 Posted November 22, 2006 Here's what I recommend: push back from the keyboard, enjoy family and friends tonight and tomorrow then expect to see something positive from Leica when you next power up this Friday morning. Best advice yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted November 22, 2006 Share #11 Posted November 22, 2006 Chill out folks. After two years of planning for the event, I bought one in the early wave of M8 deliveries and can't imagine turning it back to the dealer despite the device's significant flaws. Here's what I recommend: push back from the keyboard, enjoy family and friends tonight and tomorrow then expect to see something positive from Leica when you next power up this Friday morning. Fortunately for me, we're going to be with friends all day tomorrow in another town so I'll physically be prevented the temptation to peek at this site. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! -g Same here and I agree with JW will hear on Friday what the announcement will be so just relax , nothing is going to happen until than . So enjoy and you maybe surprised of what comes next. Enjoy , Bye off line until Friday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share #12 Posted November 22, 2006 I should have mentioned in the original post that I do have an M8, that I got it the first Saturday that they were being shipped, and I enjoy shooting it. I would like to take the next step and be able to use it for everything; I would be willing to spend the $1000 on filters right now if I knew the money wouldn't be wasted. I hope everybody is right about Friday. Last week, I hoped everybody would be right about Monday. I'm interested in the idea, as posted above, that an electronic solution will be announced Friday, and that this is "straight from the company." JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted November 22, 2006 Share #13 Posted November 22, 2006 The Lawyers among us might come into action again .. to get a refund from Leica on the $1000 spent on filters not needed "action again" What action was ever taken against Leica? They are trying to fix/solve the problems and you are suggesting action against them. How ridiculous is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted November 22, 2006 Share #14 Posted November 22, 2006 As prescribed, I have shifted into "patient" mode -- much to the delight of my dealer (and probably the rep!). I would like to have this thing for a 12/7 shoot. That doesn't seem likely, and I needed the higher iso's. I'm glad the solution(s) will be announced on Friday. I hope that announcement also indicates when shipments will restart. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted November 22, 2006 Share #15 Posted November 22, 2006 Hi Han, I wish people would stop even joking about lawsuits which are a ridiculous idea in this case. I would say that two weeks means two weeks. Sean Hi Sean, I hope it was clear it was a sarcastic remark ... because of the other threads refering to this. I could not agree more about the redicule .. so sorry for the joke I just wished people used and enjoyed the camera .. focus on what it can do instead of what it can not for now. As you say 2 weeks is 2 weeks .. and half answers is something nobody is waiting for ... so we should give the people a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2006 Share #16 Posted November 22, 2006 Without wanting to be nasty to those to whom 1000$ for filters is a considerable heap of money - it includes myself, after alI; I just totalled the contents of my M8 kit and the actual value of it makes the investment in filters needed less than 5%. Of the new value of said kit it drops to under 2%. So what are we really griping about? Just buy the **** things if and when needed, they cost less than one Zeiss lens for five. To avoid any misconceptions about my real name being Bill Gates - my Leica collection is the result of 35 years of trading up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted November 23, 2006 Share #17 Posted November 23, 2006 Hi Sean, People are just very diappointed, just as I am, sometimes humour helps them to get out of this mood. I'll skip my lawyer joke. Just hoping Solms comes with an answer in two weeks and not in two years, otherwise it'll cost me two M8's. One in filmuse and one on purchase. Please accept peoples sarcasm, it's a lott better than all the flaming and bashing there used to be on this forum. Cheers, Fr. ps. if you'd like to hear the joke anyway, let me know ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 23, 2006 Share #18 Posted November 23, 2006 I've got a lawyer joke: - why are lawyers buried 12 ft under? - because deep down, lawyers are good guys too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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