wlaidlaw Posted October 10, 2009 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) According to my tests so far: apparently yes. Their is a way to do a FAT32 format in terminal if you type man newfs_msdos you will get the following NAME newfs_msdos -- construct a new MS-DOS (FAT) file system SYNOPSIS newfs_msdos [-N] [-B boot] [-F FAT-type] [-I volid] [-O OEM] [-S sector-size] [-a FAT-size] [-b block-size] [-c cluster-size] [-e dirents] [-f format] [-h heads] [-i info] [-k backup] [-m media] [-n FATs] [-o hidden] [-r reserved] [-s total] [-u track-size] [-v volume-name] special [disktype] DESCRIPTION The newfs_msdos utility creates a FAT12, FAT16, or FAT32 file system on device special, using disktab(5) entry disktype to determine geometry, if required. The options are as follow: -N Don't create a file system: just print out parameters. -B boot You can then name the SDHC card NO NAME and once you have done that, you can use finder to create the sub folders DCIM and then 100LEICA I think it should then enable you to re-format it in camera. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here memory cards behaving erratically on M9...? . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
euston Posted October 10, 2009 Share #22 Posted October 10, 2009 Are you using FireWire connected external hard drives with Snow Leopard. Wilson As a matter of fact, I am. It works faultlessly. But then, I am an experienced Mac user. I've worked through every OS upgrade since the eighties. I know what to expect and how to prepare for it. It's the same with new cameras. You have to learn their little foibles. Otherwise, things go wrong. I say again. Many of the problems we read about in these forums are down to unrecognised user error. It would often be more helpful to the people encountering problems to tell them what they are doing wrong than to join them in blaming the equipment. That's the easy way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted October 10, 2009 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2009 (...) I haven't formatted any large cards yet. What is meant by the 'can format'? (...) Apologies for being too brief: I was referring to the "can" from my quote "Disk Utility can format drives to FAT32"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 10, 2009 Share #24 Posted October 10, 2009 As a matter of fact, I am. It works faultlessly. But then, I am an experienced Mac user. I've worked through every OS upgrade since the eighties. I know what to expect and how to prepare for it. It's the same with new cameras. You have to learn their little foibles. Otherwise, things go wrong. I say again. Many of the problems we read about in these forums are down to unrecognised user error. It would often be more helpful to the people encountering problems to tell them what they are doing wrong than to join them in blaming the equipment. That's the easy way out. I too am quite experienced with computers starting with writing Fortran programs for IBM 7090 tube computers and English Electric computers in the mid 1960's. If you are not getting the infamous 10810 finder error in Snow Leopard, it would be a great service to the Mac community if you could tell the rest of the world how you have solved this problem as Apple don't seem to know the answer nor do people like David Pogue or the gurus at Macfixit. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 11, 2009 Apologies for being too brief: I was referring to the "can" from my quote "Disk Utility can format drives to FAT32"... <g> No apology necessary. You knew what you were talking about and I didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 11, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 11, 2009 Wilson, mby, anyone-- I usually access Terminal only under direct tutelage. I recognize that you've printed the instructions for using the FAT formatting utility via Terminal, but I've got no idea what parameters I would enter. Could someone give an example of what I would actually type to format, say, a 4GB card? A 16GB card? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted October 11, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson, mby, anyone-- I usually access Terminal only under direct tutelage. I recognize that you've printed the instructions for using the FAT formatting utility via Terminal, but I've got no idea what parameters I would enter. Could someone give an example of what I would actually type to format, say, a 4GB card? A 16GB card? Here's a good first description, pls. be sure to read all comments: macosxhints.com - Format large Fat32 volumes in Panther Best, Michael P.S.: On TV, I'd say: don't try this at home...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 11, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 11, 2009 Here's a good first description, pls. be sure to read all comments: macosxhints.com - Format large Fat32 volumes in Panther Best, Michael P.S.: On TV, I'd say: don't try this at home...! I would echo what Michael says. You don't want to end up re-formatting your Macintosh HD from Journaled HFS to FAT32 by accident, thereby wiping the whole thing. I have been trying to drill down into an SDHC card properly formatted and working in an M8 to get all the parameters, so I could give people a proper code line, which they could then cut and paste into Terminal but this is still "work in progress". I won't publish anything until I have tested it thoroughly. I would probably prefer to wait until my M9 arrives so that I can test it on that as well. However, as most will have realised, deliveries seem to have slowed to a trickle. I was hoping mine would have been waiting for pick up yesterday but my dealer says that indications from Leica are that it will be end of the month at the earliest. They have only had one M9 to date but at least I am top of their list so will take the next one in, irrespective of colour. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
euston Posted October 11, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 11, 2009 I too am quite experienced with computers starting with writing Fortran programs for IBM 7090 tube computers and English Electric computers in the mid 1960's. If you are not getting the infamous 10810 finder error in Snow Leopard, it would be a great service to the Mac community if you could tell the rest of the world how you have solved this problem as Apple don't seem to know the answer nor do people like David Pogue or the gurus at Macfixit. Wilson I never had a problem so I never had to solve it. My D2 Quadra 500gb is wired up by firewire to my newish 24” iMac in exactly the same way as it was before I installed SL and it works now as well as it did before, that is, faultlessly. I don’t know enough about what goes on under the bonnet to be able to bandy technicalities with you. Until I read your post the 10810 finder error was as familiar to me as the IBM 7090, which is to say, not at all. I glanced at Apple’s SL forum and, you’re right, some people do seem to be having problems. I’m glad to say that I am not one of their number. Put it down to layman’s luck if you like but don’t tell me that I am experiencing problems which, patently, I am not. I still think that the OP’s problem may stem from using a memory card that Leica doesn’t recommend. Most of the rest of this thread is off topic and becoming more so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 11, 2009 Share #30 Posted October 11, 2009 Update - I am not sure this is going to work in Mac. My initial efforts have formatted the card just fine as FAT32 but on looking at the hidden files on a card formatted in camera and one formatted in terminal, they look different. Left picture formatted in camera Right one in Terminal Then when you format in an M8 it adds a second partition so you have two apparent drives, both called "NO NAME" with much reduced capacity. Maybe if I had created the DCIM folder and the LEICA1XX subfolder plus deleted the .Spotlight-V100, it might have worked better but I doubt it. However here is a work around if you have a Ricoh camera. The formatting firmware in the Ricoh (a GX200 in my case) is obviously a bit more robust than the Leica firmware. You can have an SD card formatted as anything you like and the Ricoh will reformat it to FAT 32 and properly partitioned. You can then put it in an M8 and it will then reformat it to LEICA with the correct capacity etc and the correct file/folder structure. Other cameras than Ricoh may work for this as well. Hope all this helps Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/98167-memory-cards-behaving-erratically-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1070237'>More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 11, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 11, 2009 Hi There I hesitate to say this, but another alternative to formatting in fat 32 is to get a copy of vmware (or parallels) and a copy of XP and make up a virtual windows machine. It'll take you about ten minutes and then you'll be able to do any of the things that windows requires. I take euston's point about user error. I'm sure it's possible to get my Epson 4000 to work across my network if I install SL . . . .but people are obviously having a heap of trouble with it. It might be user error (probably is, for using an old printer), but taking hours to get around my error seems a lot less attractive than simply keeping with 10.5.8 for the time being! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 11, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 11, 2009 seems a lot less attractive than simply keeping with 10.5.8 for the time being! Yes. Is there a compelling reason to install 10.6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 11, 2009 Share #33 Posted October 11, 2009 Apple Support says: Can I reformat an SD card with Disk Utility? Yes. Using Disk Utility, you can partition and format an SD device as FAT32 (using the MS-DOS FAT setting) or Mac OS Extended. The Mac OS Extended format can only be used on Macintosh systems. Cards formatted to Mac OS Extended will not be recognized by non-Apple systems. About the SD card slot in MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2.53GHz, Mid 2009), MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009), and MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 11, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 11, 2009 Update - I am not sure this is going to work in Mac. My initial efforts have formatted the card just fine as FAT32 but on looking at the hidden files on a card formatted in camera and one formatted in terminal, they look different. Left picture formatted in camera Right one in Terminal Then when you format in an M8 it adds a second partition so you have two apparent drives, both called "NO NAME" with much reduced capacity. Maybe if I had created the DCIM folder and the LEICA1XX subfolder plus deleted the .Spotlight-V100, it might have worked better but I doubt it. However here is a work around if you have a Ricoh camera. The formatting firmware in the Ricoh (a GX200 in my case) is obviously a bit more robust than the Leica firmware. You can have an SD card formatted as anything you like and the Ricoh will reformat it to FAT 32 and properly partitioned. You can then put it in an M8 and it will then reformat it to LEICA with the correct capacity etc and the correct file/folder structure. Other cameras than Ricoh may work for this as well. Hope all this helps Wilson Wilson I'm not sure what you are seeing on that SD card but on a Windows XP PC using Disk Management there are no hidden partitions and no files of any kind. I suspect it is the Mac that is creating some of them during the format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 11, 2009 Share #35 Posted October 11, 2009 Yes. Is there a compelling reason to install 10.6? Ian, The main reason is that distributed 64 bit processing/multi threading works better. In effect it will use the three processors in a modern Mac more efficiently on processor intensive tasks. Unlike Leopard, Apple claim it will use unused capacity in the video processor chip for normal computation so that a Core 2 duo machine in effect, becomes a three core machine. So when do you notice this? Conversion of DNG's in C1 is noticeably quicker and running filters such as Noise Ninja on 59MB tiff's is now almost instantaneous. It will become more worthwhile on the larger 109MB tiff's from the M9. The downside, as I have posted above, is that on my older machine, the 2006 Core 2 Duo iMac (2.16 gHz/3GB RAM), it is causing a lot of problems, even though as far as I can see, the set up and program suite is identical to my 2009 13" MacBook Pro 2.53 gHz/4GB RAM), which is running pretty well. A lot of third parties have not yet caught up on drivers yet, rather like what happened on Vista. Another downside is I am told that PS CS3 does not work properly on SL but this is third party information and I cannot vouch for it. I use CS4 on my SL machines and only use CS3 on my older dual G5 PowerMac running Leopard. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 11, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 11, 2009 Wilson I'm not sure what you are seeing on that SD card but on a Windows XP PC using Disk Management there are no hidden partitions and no files of any kind.I suspect it is the Mac that is creating some of them during the format. Ed, The hidden files and folders are there on an SD card formatted wholly in the M8 and not formatted in Mac. This is using the facility on Snow Leopard to show all hidden files (in open file mode but not in Finder, press Shift-Cmd-Period and this toggles off and on show hidden files). I believe the show hidden files in Windows Explorer is a bit selective and only shows the files that Microsoft wants you to see. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 11, 2009 Share #37 Posted October 11, 2009 Ed, The hidden files and folders are there on an SD card formatted wholly in the M8 and not formatted in Mac. This is using the facility on Snow Leopard to show all hidden files (in open file mode but not in Finder, press Shift-Cmd-Period and this toggles off and on show hidden files). I believe the show hidden files in Windows Explorer is a bit selective and only shows the files that Microsoft wants you to see. Wilson Wilson, You don't need to format the SD card on a Mac to get the hidden files and folders. The simply fact of introducing a SD card (or USB key or connect an external HD) on a Macintosh, MacOS will create the hidden files we can see in your previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 11, 2009 Share #38 Posted October 11, 2009 Wilson, You don't need to format the SD card on a Mac to get the hidden files and folders. The simply fact of introducing a SD card (or USB key or connect an external HD) on a Macintosh, MacOS will create the hidden files we can see in your previous post. Thanks ArtZ for that. I always thought my skills as a hard drive/flash card/drive examiner were very good, using the programs I have (not only MS's XP Disk Management), but I couldn't find any hidden partition or files. I even fired up a BartPE boot CD with Acronis Disk Director plugin and still didn't find any hidden partitions and using a part of Disk Director to look at the file structure of the M8 SD cards I didn't find any hidden files of any kind. So It is a Mac thing. Whether those files are deleted/removed upon removable of the card I don't know. I do know Windows XP doesn't do this with external removable flash drives. It does do something similar with external hard drives. It creates a folder name System Volume Information which Windows would really like to hide from you and normal not allow access to that folder even if you can see it (there are ways around that). But it doesn't do it on flash drives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 11, 2009 Share #39 Posted October 11, 2009 @ Ed, I use both systems (but I admit I use more Windows than Mac) and the hidden files created by Mac OS X really irritates me! On Leopard you didn't see them (I haven't installed Snow Leopard yet) but as soon you insert the SD card on a Windows system (if "Show hidden files and folders" option is activated on "Control Panel\Folder Options"), you will see them! <G> @ Wilson, If you want, I propose you to make a a test. Format a SD card with your M8. Now remove the SD card from your M8 and put the mini switch in the SD card on the "LOCK" position. Insert now the freshly formatted card SD card on your MacBook and you won't see any hidden files and folders. Remove now the SD card from your MacBook and set back the mini switch in the SD card to the "UNLOCK" position. Insert again the SD card in your MacBook... and SURPRISE! you have hidden files and folders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 11, 2009 Share #40 Posted October 11, 2009 @ Ed, I use both systems (but I admit I use more Windows than Mac) and the hidden files created by Mac OS X really irritates me! On Leopard you didn't see them (I haven't installed Snow Leopard yet) but as soon you insert the SD card on a Windows system (if "Show hidden files and folders" option is activated on "Control Panel\Folder Options"), you will see them! <G> Not on my PC's running XP Pro with all option checked or unchecked, whichever need to be, so the system shows me and gives me access to every file/folder/partition/whatever and file extensions. There are no hidden files/partitions on the SD cards formatted in a M8. Maybe you are talking about a SD card first inserted in a Mac and then brought over to a PC. I don't have a Mac and never plan on having a Mac. So to me this is totally a Mac thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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