BKK dan Posted September 23, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Early adopting of a new product quite often involves living with teething issues. I think Leica learned their lesson with the M8, there won't be a repeat. But are some of you intentionally waiting for M9s from a second production line in, say, 2-3 months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 23, 2009 Posted September 23, 2009 Hi BKK dan, Take a look here M9's Early Adopters vs. Some Waiting. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted September 23, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2009 Leaving aside the inevitable firmware updates, I think Leica have learned a huge amount over the course of the M8's lifetime about how to build these cameras and especially how to set them up. I'm quite sure the M9 has benefitted from that experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBar Posted September 23, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 23, 2009 I had one of the early batches (of the M8) and the camera had to go back twice to Solms. BUT, Leica handled that very nice (pick up and return) and they gave a rebate on a new lens. So, I already have the M9 and all is well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted September 23, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 23, 2009 Early adopting of a new product quite often involves living with teething issues. I think Leica learned their lesson with the M8, there won't be a repeat. But are some of you intentionally waiting for M9s from a second production line in, say, 2-3 months? Only Leica knows that. If the current model is bugged they will have to fix the bug. Hardly the case, as many M9 are already circulating. I would expect changes in firmware in areas like AWB and better noise control, but not changing core logic which is based on customers requests from M8. M9 is a mature product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 23, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 23, 2009 Yes, no errors so far except the one about camera going dead by Sean Reid in his review - when he used beta software. There must be between 1,500 and 3,000 Leica M9 in use now, and no reports of errors. It's very good for both users and Leica Camera AG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted September 23, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 23, 2009 Yes, no errors so far except the one about camera going dead by Sean Reid in his review - when he used beta software. There must be between 1,500 and 3,000 Leica M9 in use now, and no reports of errors. It's very good for both users and Leica Camera AG. You meant 150 to 300 I hope ... otherwise some dealers and customers (including me) are getting sidelined big time here. First deliveries in most French dealers is announced to be "end of September". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 23, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't know. Serial seem to have started by 3803501 and some users has serials above 3804400. So at least 900 I guess plus the 120 beta ones that were made in June-July for testing purposes. Providing those serials are exclusive for the M9 and not shared by M7 and MP. Leica produce and sell 12,000 film M cameras a year, so that gives some idea of the amount they are capable of producing. Year, I know that's a bit vague, but it gives an idea that they won't be able to produce, say 5,000 in a month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 23, 2009 It doesn't say a thing, Thorsten, the numbers with Leica are usually in batches and random within the batch, not sequential. I would put the number of film cameras a lot lower. The last I heard was "a couple of hundred a month" I guess 2000 a year max. The maximum production capacity for M9 cameras is under 100 a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 23, 2009 Leica produce and sell 12,000 film M cameras a year, so that gives some idea of the amount they are capable of producing. Year, I know that's a bit vague, but it gives an idea that they won't be able to produce, say 5,000 in a month. This 12,000 number has been bouncing around a lot lately. But that is film cameras which may still be in demand, at least up to that 12,000 number, doesn't mean that is all they can make in a year. If you use that 12,000 number for top production of the M9's it will take years to supply the orders they already have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishblimp Posted September 23, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 23, 2009 Don't know. Serial seem to have started by 3803501 and some users has serials above 3804400. So at least 900 I guess plus the 120 beta ones that were made in June-July for testing purposes. Providing those serials are exclusive for the M9 and not shared by M7 and MP. Leica produce and sell 12,000 film M cameras a year, so that gives some idea of the amount they are capable of producing. Year, I know that's a bit vague, but it gives an idea that they won't be able to produce, say 5,000 in a month. My serial 3804xxx is lower than what you quoted. I wonder what that means of my model. It's not a beta model, I know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 23, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 23, 2009 Yes, no errors so far except the one about camera going dead by Sean Reid in his review - when he used beta software. There must be between 1,500 and 3,000 Leica M9 in use now, and no reports of errors. It's very good for both users and Leica Camera AG. Hi Thorsten, It didn't die, it just froze up sometimes under the conditions I described. The firmware used for those tests was actually the current 1.002. There are some problems that myself and others have noted but basically the M9 is pretty solid in most respects. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2009 Yes, no errors so far except the one about camera going dead by Sean Reid in his review - when he used beta software. There must be between 1,500 and 3,000 Leica M9 in use now, and no reports of errors. It's very good for both users and Leica Camera AG. Not sure where you are getting your info from but if you read this forum you will see multiple problems with the M9. Lock ups, slow formatting, slow zoom during review mode, USB port and Mass Storage option not working correctly along with other glitches. I know everyone that spends $7000US on a camera wants to think it has no problem but that is not the case, right now, with the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 23, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2009 My M9 - no lockups Indeed slower than the M8, but nearly 4 times the file size. it slows my computer down too. USB readout is conform the manual, PTP only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 23, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 23, 2009 It seems that most of us are waiting a bit for our M9s, whether we want it or not. The old man from the Age of the M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 23, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 23, 2009 Fair point. I'm only "waiting" while I raise the money. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 23, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 23, 2009 It seems that most of us are waiting a bit for our M9s, whether we want it or not. The old man from the Age of the M8 LOL...which I rarely write...that's quite true. The issue is somewhat moot isn't it? Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted September 23, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 23, 2009 Anybody checked for strong light sources at the edge of the frame? One other thing that gets on my nerves with M8 is having sun (or anything direct and strong) in the shot means some pixel bleeding (or whats the name)....how about M9? M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 24, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 24, 2009 My serial 3804xxx is lower than what you quoted. I wonder what that means of my model. It's not a beta model, I know that. It's just a discussion about how many M9s are out so far, and it looks like serials starts at 3803501 and some users has serials above 3804400. So if your serial is between those, you got one of the first 900. The beta models are outside those numbers - had entirely different number series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted September 24, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 24, 2009 Not sure where you are getting your info from but if you read this forum you will see multiple problems with the M9. Lock ups, slow formatting, slow zoom during review mode, USB port and Mass Storage option not working correctly along with other glitches. I know everyone that spends $7000US on a camera wants to think it has no problem but that is not the case, right now, with the M9. I think some of us who spend $7,000 was prepared to experience whatever could happen with a new camera. Goes with being first in line to a new product. And as far as I can tell, all those glitches can and will be fixed in firmware updates. So I consider them bugs, not real errors. If all M9 users get to experience them, they should consider them self lucky - because that would mean they get their M9 very soon. Only "glitch" disturbing me is the writing speed because the buffer seem to hold 7 uncompressed DNGs along with JPGs, and then the writing causes the potential wait. USB-transfer, zoom review, formatting I don't use but leave my computer doing for the sake of speed and battery life (no matter how it would have worked in the M9). I think all in all that Leica and the beta testers has done a great job in finishing the camera and prepare it to market. What is there is much less than I would expect. Apple has done much worse, and other too, I'm sure. And not a word about Canon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted September 24, 2009 Share #20 Posted September 24, 2009 seems that very few M9's have managed the trip across the pond & those of us in North America are having a mandatory time out for the M9 desire can be enjoyable, particularly with the promise of fulfillment:) I agree with Mark Norton that the M8 experience with this camera will not be repeated and that while I am certain there will be further firmware improvements with the M9, Leica will deliver a much more finished camera with the first production runs after all it isn't all that different from the M8/M8.2 my most trusted dealer has my order & he tells me he should be able to get me one by the middle of October I have a dear old friend's wedding late November in New England & hope to take my new camera for my fall trip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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