wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #21 Posted September 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have just read my way through the moiré removal tutorial. I think it would be quicker to get the subject to change his suit ;-}} Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 11, 2009 Posted September 11, 2009 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Anyone really like Lightroom as supplied with M9?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dpattinson Posted September 11, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 11, 2009 I've never used Lightroom, however I saw whet Brett was doing with it yesterday at Red Dot when I dropped by to check out the M9. It seems a very good workflow, and I'm quite happy that Leica have bundled a copy with the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted September 11, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 11, 2009 David, That is very good to hear. When like me you get over the age of 60, learning yet another new program is a real heave. Last year's task was Dreamweaver - looks like this year's is Lightroom. Wilson If I were you I'd stick to Bridge/ACR PS CS4. In fact that is what I use 99.9999999% of the time and I bought all the LR versions when they came out. LR, and C1, sit on my HDD only being used 0.0000001% of the time. About the only time I use LR is if I'm searching for one particular older image and I don't remember what, or around what, date I shot it. I then open LR and load that years catalog and do my search. Other then that I do use it on my notebooks when I'm away from my home base/computer but then only to review the images I have taken. I just find it easier to work in Bridge/ACR/PS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted September 11, 2009 If I were you I'd stick to Bridge/ACR PS CS4. In fact that is what I use 99.9999999% of the time and I bought all the LR versions when they came out. LR, and C1, sit on my HDD only being used 0.0000001% of the time. About the only time I use LR is if I'm searching for one particular older image and I don't remember what, or around what, date I shot it. I then open LR and load that years catalog and do my search. Other then that I do use it on my notebooks when I'm away from my home base/computer but then only to review the images I have taken. I just find it easier to work in Bridge/ACR/PS. Ed, I am afraid I don't like ACR very much either. I have been using it to convert my Ricoh DNG's until recently, when I had a serious go at making my own GX200 profile on C1 and I think I am now getting more acceptable results on C1 than I was on ACR. I find it particularly difficult to get skies right in ACR. Here is an example of a Ricoh GX200 DNG converted in ACR (and I am guessing that LR uses the same engine). I hope you can see what I mean, that the sky is too contrasty, with magenta too high and I find this is typical. Sure I can correct it but it all takes time. I find if I get the profile right in C1, there is much less post production required in CS4. I am sure if I made more effort with ACR, I could improve its profiles but I find it is easier to set up and apply pre-saved profiles in C1. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95967-anyone-really-like-lightroom-as-supplied-with-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1029263'>More sharing options...
leicamr Posted September 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 11, 2009 I love the functionality and GUI of ACR CS3, but the adobe RAW just is not compatible with the DNG's from my DMR. Magenta fleshy tones just cannot be(or I cannot) corrected. Capture One saves the day for me. I gave Lightroom a brief trial this week, but it doesn't grab me. I find the slider controls too sensitive to adjust easily and the same magenta issues remain I guess due to the same RAW converter used in CS3. If I could profile the ACR to correct the colour issues I would use it. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted September 11, 2009 Share #26 Posted September 11, 2009 I love the functionality and GUI of ACR CS3, but the adobe RAW just is not compatible with the DNG's from my DMR. Magenta fleshy tones just cannot be(or I cannot) corrected. Capture One saves the day for me. I gave Lightroom a brief trial this week, but it doesn't grab me. I find the slider controls too sensitive to adjust easily and the same magenta issues remain I guess due to the same RAW converter used in CS3.If I could profile the ACR to correct the colour issues I would use it. Mark See DNG Profiles:Editor - Adobe Labs http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted September 11, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) With LR now being supplied with the M9, I find it an excellent replacement for Bridge which I had been using since going the Adobe route. It is simply faster and more specialised. Plus, Adobe have their editing tools down to a tee. For a fast workflow it is ideal. (Aperture is ok too if you are on a Mac). On special occasions I would still consider C1's better RAW conversion, though I haven't tried their new version with the M9 yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #28 Posted September 11, 2009 See DNG Profiles:Editor - Adobe Labs DNG Profiles - Adobe Labs Thanks for those links. I will give this a go. The profiles should work in LR as well I guess. For anyone who had difficulty, like me, in getting those instructions to print off well from the net, I have converted them into a PDF file, which as it is too large to post on here (1.8M), I am happy to mail to anyone who requires it. There is no copyright issue on passing on stuff posted on Adobe's public websites. I have checked with Adobe on this for various hand-outs we give to students on our courses on colour management etc. PM me with an email address if you would like a copy. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyves Posted September 11, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 11, 2009 Profiles will work in Lighroom, as explain in the tutorials. They are downloaded when installed in C:/My documents/All Users/Application Data/Adobe/Camera Raw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gismoto Posted September 11, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 11, 2009 Thank you Wilson! I agree with your impression (ie, C1 does a better job on colors)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 11, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 11, 2009 Thanks for those links. I will give this a go. The profiles should work in LR as well I guess. For anyone who had difficulty, like me, in getting those instructions to print off well from the net, I have converted them into a PDF file, which as it is too large to post on here (1.8M), I am happy to mail to anyone who requires it. There is no copyright issue on passing on stuff posted on Adobe's public websites. I have checked with Adobe on this for various hand-outs we give to students on our courses on colour management etc. PM me with an email address if you would like a copy. Wilson Wilson, I don't have an M9 yet, but I've just had a go with some uncompressed DNGs and some of Chris Tribble's torture test tungsten files, and the results from the new C1 with M9 profile is really excellent. In fact, it appears I have to do even *less* work in C1 to get results I was getting for the M8. So we'll see what happens when I actually get one and figure out the color. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure LR will serve people very well too. But I wanted to post because C1 has only just started actually supporting the M9 and I'm encouraged by the (very early) results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #32 Posted September 11, 2009 Wilson, I don't have an M9 yet, but I've just had a go with some uncompressed DNGs and some of Chris Tribble's torture test tungsten files, and the results from the new C1 with M9 profile is really excellent. In fact, it appears I have to do even *less* work in C1 to get results I was getting for the M8. So we'll see what happens when I actually get one and figure out the color. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure LR will serve people very well too. But I wanted to post because C1 has only just started actually supporting the M9 and I'm encouraged by the (very early) results. Jamie, That makes my day! Are you using 4.8.3, which I am just downloading at the moment or did you revert to 4.8.1? I know that 4.8.2 has no M9 profile showing up in the input profiles. I hope after the conversation that my dealer had with David Bell today, that my M9 will arrive at the dealer either tomorrow or Monday and will be winging its way out to me by courier, as my UK trip is postponed due to auditors making an error in the company accounts. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted September 11, 2009 Halfway to Xmas - M9 profile there in 4.8.3. but still no Ricoh ones. Still well done by Phase One. My only reservation about the M9 has evaporated. Roll on next week. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 12, 2009 Share #34 Posted September 12, 2009 Halfway to Xmas - M9 profile there in 4.8.3. but still no Ricoh ones. Still well done by Phase One. My only reservation about the M9 has evaporated. Roll on next week. Wilson Yes!! C1 4.8.3 makes the files even easier to process (for me anyway) than the M8! Just be sure to use the uncompressed RAWs right now for critical work http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/98212-lightoom-mangling-m9-images-there-compression.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share #35 Posted September 12, 2009 Yes!! C1 4.8.3 makes the files even easier to process (for me anyway) than the M8! Just be sure to use the uncompressed RAWs right now for critical work http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/98212-lightoom-mangling-m9-images-there-compression.html With the phrase "as cheap as chips" now meaning memory chips and as between my two M's, I will have 5 batteries, I cannot see the point of using anything other than the 14 bit uncompressed DNG's. Hopefully it will mean less blown out highlights. I will need to buy some more SD cards but I will wait until someone does some real life speed tests, to see if the considerably cheaper Ultra II really are faster than the 30mb/s Extreme III that I normally use. On Amazon UK the difference is £32 against £89 for 16 GB cards. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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