Where is X1 made?

[nigelb]

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I'm really getting how pissy people are on this forum now.

 

First everyone RAILED against the X1 for being a panasonic. Then it was just a leica body with a Kodak sensor- go buy a Kodak everyone said. Then it was the D300S sensor, "just go buy that" they said. Then everyone said it's a Sony sensor. Every damn camera that comes out, no matter how crappy, the first thing said about it on this forum is "this blows away the X1 for 1/100th the price..." Every comparison seems meant to help the author convince himself to be happy without the X1, choosing comparison terms clearly meant with a pre-determined conclusion in mind. GF-1, NEX-5, Sanyo, Fuji X-100, doesn't matter I'm checking out of this forum filled with people just looking to slam this camera. The best summary was posted by phancj about the X100:

 

"If I may point out something else: When the nex was launched, the X1 was slammed for being too rigid, no interchangeable lens means no future, blah blah blah. Now that some "Nexphiles" suddenly became Fujiphiles then the whole process starts again, except now they like fixed 35mm and how it is liberating, your legs become the zoom, how it takes you to the glorious days before the curse of zoom was invented. Check on some posters and see how they amazingly transform their stance each time a new non-Leica gets announced, and take every opportunity to justify any form of leica-bashing.

 

I might point out that Leica was the first to launch an APS-C sensor in so small a compact, with a fixed 35mm lens. Not fuji or sony. But wait! Now I am a Leicaphile??

 

I cannot wait for Canon and Nikon to launch similar concepts coz then these "new" products become "revolutionary" morphing the Fujiphiles into canophiles and nikonphiles!:D"

 

Three posts of yours in three different threads all quoting someone else's post. You running out of ideas?

 

As for your own highly exaggerated comment, what you put down is called freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Maybe you would prefer to live in a totalitarian state where these do not exist.

[andybarton]

I bet phancj wishes he had a dollar for every time someone quoted him...

[jlancasterd]

 

For Leica/X1 bashers the camera is made in China

For Leicaphiles/X1philes the camera is made in Solms.

 

For me, it just take photos, nice ones at that.

 

World peace.

 

My new Nikkor 24-120 f4 FX, VRII, zoom was made in Thailand rather than Japan. Should this make it less worthy than my other, Japan-built, Nikkors?

 

The 24-120 is pin sharp where it matters, handles beautifully and is great value for money - with the pictures I'm getting I really couldn't care less where it was made.

 

Why should Leicas be any different?

[jsrockit]

I heard it was made in Antarctica ...

[barjohn]

My new Nikkor 24-120 f4 FX, VRII, zoom was made in Thailand rather than Japan. Should this make it less worthy than my other, Japan-built, Nikkors?

 

The 24-120 is pin sharp where it matters, handles beautifully and is great value for money - with the pictures I'm getting I really couldn't care less where it was made.

 

Why should Leicas be any different?

 

Simply because of price. You are paying for German workmanship (or at least as it used to be perceived), not Chinese cheap labor. Ask yourself how many people would pay $2K for it if it said: "Made in China."

[jsrockit]

Ask yourself how many people would pay $2K for it if it said: "Made in China."

 

I would... as long as it is the same camera. I have nothing against the Chinese.

[barjohn]

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I suspect you are the exception. It has nothing to do with having anything against the Chinese. It has more to do with their labor costs and the inconsistent quality of goods produced there. Come to think of it maybe that is why you have peeling skin and other QC issues.

[jsrockit]

I suspect you are the exception. It has nothing to do with having anything against the Chinese. It has more to do with their labor costs and the inconsistent quality of goods produced there. Come to think of it maybe that is why you have peeling skin and other QC issues.

 

Peeling skin is true, but it is just an adhesive issue... that could happen to any product. Other issues? Like what?

 

All I know is that I have many "made in China" items that have worked flawlessly over the years. It's made me consider the fact that a lot (not all) of "made in China" talk is a leftover from past generations and is a bit of racism mixed with old school suspicion of losing US jobs. Sure some quality control issues are there... but a company of Leica's stature would make sure quality control is good.

[Douglasco]

Barjohn

looking at your profile you own an M8, I think that camera has had enough of its own QC issues don't you ?, So I would not worry to much about our X1's

[andybarton]

I suspect you are the exception. It has nothing to do with having anything against the Chinese. It has more to do with their labor costs and the inconsistent quality of goods produced there. Come to think of it maybe that is why you have peeling skin and other QC issues.

 

That's unfair. Their labour costs might be cheap by Western standards, but the quality of the products that they produce is as good as anywhere, if that is what is required. Cheap nasty goods can be and are made anywhere in the world if that is what the purchaser wants. Even the United States.

[earleygallery]

That great US company Apple, who make premium products like the iphone, they have them manufactured out in China you know!

[Wiggi]

I'm really getting how pissy people are on this forum now.

 

First everyone RAILED against the X1 for being a panasonic.

 

Why? The Panaleicas are quite good.

[prk60091]

Why? The Panaleicas are quite good.

they weren't "purebred leica's"

[janki]

In the September edition of the Norwegian high reputable photography magazine “FOTOGRAFI” (which in English is "PHOTOGRAPHY”), it is a full-scale test of the Leica X1.

If I remember correctly, I believe having read that this photo magazine carrying out their camera tests at a laboratory in Germany.

In the description it says, quote: "It is KODAK who made the image chip (sensor), while both camera and lens are designed and built in Germany."

When I read this, I came to think of this thread, which has lasted a while.

I thought it was a bit strange to read this, after all the speculation that has been in this thread about the origin of this camera.

I do not know much about image chip/sensor manufacturers.

Maybe someone has a comment, if the APS-C sensor in this camera really can be produced by Kodak.

[georg]

"That's unfair. Their labour costs might be cheap by Western standards, but the quality of the products that they produce is as good as anywhere, if that is what is required. Cheap nasty goods can be and are made anywhere in the world if that is what the purchaser wants. Even the United States."

 

It's not unfair, it's cheap BECAUSE of the low standards. Do you think the only difference between "Made in China" and "Made in Germany" is nationality of the people?

Most "Made in Germany" is done by highly-trained workers with a dual education/apprenticeship (technical college + practice - I'm sorry, I'm not sure which English vocabulary fits best as an description) for at least 3 years. I've had several additional trainings (new safety standards, new technologies...) over the last years which cost my employer several tenthousand €! I work 35h/week and have 30 days vacation and could save enough money for a M8.

A Chinese worker (even those working for Foxconn, making Apple-products with high-wage technology) isn't trained for years, works over 60h/week with less than 10 days vacation, doesn't even work in an environment fulfilling basic German standards in ergonomics and safety and is paid next to nothing, not even able to afford an Ipod!

HOW is comparing and judging this slave-labour to craftmenship unfair!?

It's madness and we have the responsibility to stop it by no longer buying this crap!

[Wiggi]

"It is KODAK who made the image chip (sensor), while both camera and lens are designed and built in Germany."

 

They mean the M9 I think

 

The X1 Sensor is made by Sony. It is a live view able sensor, not the Kodak CCD. The magazine brandeins says, the main parts of the X1 are manufctured by Sanyo.

[Wiggi]

they weren't "purebred leica's"

 

Like the Sanyoleica!

[h00ligan]

I'm surprised this thread exists still.

 

who.cares.

[AlanG]

 

I work 35h/week and have 30 days vacation and could save enough money for a M8.

 

So what you are saying is that you don't work very hard and you want me to help support you? I probably work 50-70 hours a week.

I have 0 days of paid vacations.

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[ChiILX1]

Three posts of yours in three different threads all quoting someone else's post. You running out of ideas?

 

As for your own highly exaggerated comment, what you put down is called freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Maybe you would prefer to live in a totalitarian state where these do not exist.

 

Who the hell are you? Supporting free speech doesn't equate to enjoying some people's vomit on this forum.

 

And you should re-read my post. Notice the quotation marks and citation. It's called giving credit where it's due. I never tried to pass it off as my own as though I was running out of ideas.

 

Here's a fresh idea tied to his original point: If all someone has to contribute to this forum is relentless Leica bashing (legitimate owner critique not included) upon criteria uniquely pejorative to Leicas and ubiquitously brilliant otherwise, get your kicks and find your friends on those manufacturer's forums. I am here directly addressing what has popularly come to be referred to as the "piss in your oatmeal" types, I just am starting to doubt it's actually their oatmeal and not just mine they're pissing into.

 

Leica seems to have twice as much to prove- what is the X1's "failure" and "reason I'm not going to buy it" is the same reason some of these anonymous online fools can't wait to buy the X100 or the NEX5. Fine. Enjoy them. But why are you on the Leica forum wasting my time making me read through your post to get to others' legitimate praise / criticism?

 

Any other manufacturer Forum I get to talk to like mindeds. Here half are either kids or fetish (marx not sex) social oddities that must not have anything better to do.