gdb Posted September 3, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 3, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Canon Announces New 7D DSLR | Pro Photo Home Cheers Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Hi gdb, Take a look here New competitor: Canon 7D. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
John Thawley Posted September 3, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 3, 2009 ???? I'm trying to figure out which Leica this camera would compete with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted September 3, 2009 With no Leica camera, since Leica does not seem to be interested by its R loyal customers any longer. But this new Canon is just another opportunity to use existing R lenses... Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 3, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 3, 2009 The press release for the new Canon speaks of an 18mpxl sensor. The M9 (dare I speculate???????????) is presumed to have the same mpxl's (who the hell knows, today). In any case, if there IS a new camera, called the M9, introduced next week, and its mpxl's are 18 (or so), then these cameras don't compete for 2 reasons. 1. SLR's and RF's are different animals, and 2. Leica glass is in a different league. It may be that Canon has magical image processing software, but Sean Reid compared the M8 (first version) against his Canon 5D with ff sensor (I believe that was the model). His conclusion is that the Leica glass makes up for the smaller sensor size of the M8 and that the M8 competes very well against the high ISO capabilities of the Canon. So, c'mon 9/9. Let's see what's in the magician's hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 4, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 4, 2009 Last time I logged on - this was a Leica Camera Forum. I don't quite understand the logic of a Canon 'comparison' here. Just as I wouldn't understand or see the relevance of a Leica type of comment on a Canon site. Canon is Canon, Leica is Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 4, 2009 Mooky, there is a feeding frenzy on at present. 'They' will will feed on anything that shows its head! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted September 4, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) to "mooky" I never made any comparison between Canon and Leica, I just forwarded an information about a new camera on which R lenses can be used. I don't think it's a "lèse-majesté" crime. I also possess an important Leica gear, and I still use it with much joy. But I do not wear blinkers, and I am not the first one who talks about other photographic brands on this forum... Gérard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted September 4, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 4, 2009 But it's an APS-C sensor, so you'd be using R glass on even less full -frame than the DMR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 4, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 4, 2009 I mean nothing nasty with my comments,: for years past, the usual friendly comparisons are out there. Although there are plenty of users who would defend their camera choice to the ends of the earth - it's only important that the equipment brings the result the user wants - I've had an EOS system for a while and it was fine, but the optics weren't what I liked, or what I was used to. I actually like comparisons that aren't based on better than this or that - just how something is designed. The M9 should be really cool in my little world; I do appreciate what Canon and Nikon are doing and I've owned them too....I just like the Leica glass and cameras and the type of image they give. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted September 4, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 4, 2009 I mean no disrespect, but what is all the fury about? One of our esteemed moderators has taken steps with his new non-Leica camera to use his superb R glass on a Nikon. I think folks are getting out of hand here. This forum is for collaboration & the advancement of our skills & knowledge base in the service of image making. We shouldn't bloody someone that has taken the time to inform us of an alternative solution to an existing & growing problem. Clearly, Leica has not offered a solution for us, as yet. I'm faced with exploring alternatives to my R8/DMR in the near future, as I desire to use the unique R glass I spent my hard earned dollars with. I'm not sure exactly what the zealots are aiming for, but I'd back off a hair & return to a more collegial, welcoming & informational style of communication. Quite frankly, these posts fuel the comments made by many people I know in the field, whose perception of Leica is summarized as that of an elite, insular culture. I just recently met with a group of young, entrepreneurial image makers in NYC, discussing all things related to ramping up their business models, equipment financing, workflow & creative ways to seed images, get contingent contracts... I was the only person with Leica equipment. Everyone was interested in my gear, but to a person, they where filled with disinformation & a feeling that the community was not a welcoming one. I'm sorry to have this experience re-enacted in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thawley Posted September 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 4, 2009 My only point was simply "where is the competition?" I'm a Canon shooter. I'll probably have two 7Ds before the start of next racing season. But TRUST ME... if Leica made a camera and glass that could do the job the 7D will do for me, I'd be all over it. These (Canons) are the tools of my trade... but I'd give anything to be able to get the job done using Leica. Not Leica's fault. They just don't address that market space. JT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 4, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 4, 2009 I can say that if Leica's solution to the R digital question is less than satisfactory, I will look for alternative bodies for my R glass - but not yet. I am a less than wealthy 'project photographer' who has to pick wisely and for longevity. So I've learned to be patient. I've always kind of fancied a Canon EOS 1v for film. But as I mentioned previously, I wasn't happy with the L Glass I had in the past - though they were zooms. Which would be an excellent wide fixed lens from Canon that you all would recommend? - That would be the glass I'd search for should I ever do another jump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 4, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 4, 2009 Which would be an excellent wide fixed lens from Canon that you all would recommend? - That would be the glass I'd search for should I ever do another jump. Most of the wide Canons are considered their weaker lenses, hence the popularity of shaved 5D mirrors and adapters to fit Leica-R, Contax RTS and Olympus OM lenses to Canon bodies. The better Canons include the 35mm f/1.4 and the 24mm f/1.4 II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 4, 2009 At seventeen hundred bucks? Might be time for adaptors. The way I see it though, if you dont have a specific job for it right now, wait till next year and get something better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooky Posted September 5, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 5, 2009 Most of the wide Canons are considered their weaker lenses, hence the popularity of shaved 5D mirrors and adapters to fit Leica-R, Contax RTS and Olympus OM lenses to Canon bodies. The better Canons include the 35mm f/1.4 and the 24mm f/1.4 II. Don't need it that bad - meaning digital from a Canon/R glass - always a possibility I guess but not likely - that sounds like too much to go through - geese Doug, did you have to let the teeny bit of Canon air out the maybe balloon??? Thought that maybe just maybe the wides would be better......oh well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted September 5, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 5, 2009 I have been a loyal Leica fan since 1973 I own quite a few models and will always love Leica film cameras, however I must except the inevitable, my digital choice will most likely be a Canon as last week I purchessed a Novoflex adapter simply gorgeous and for me an option for the future. We Leica R users have been left on the ledge when it comes to Digital, so Canon is they only option. I don't want to change my Leica mount for a Nikon as I want to swing back and forth. No it's true you cannot compare the Canon 7D to the next Leica M ? The prices quoted to me was 7D at 2700$ Aus and the Next generation Leica M around 10000+Dollars. The M system great for low light and static shots and for people who have ALLDAY to compose, Adjust focus then click, when using my Leica R my photgraphing response is much quicker and simply much better, even Dear old Leica knows this thats why they have introduced another SLR )D) as the overpriced M system is limited in it's capability, check out the newspapers and magazines, some fantastic shots and most likely taken by Canon or Nikons operators. Those living in Melbourne did you check out the local Newsparer of that magnificent shot of the shark out of the water simply AWASOME. I am positive it wasn't taken with a Leica M. I only have ONE M lens =35mm2.8 asph, but sevaral Leica R Lenses with only one not able to be attached to the 5D the 28-90mm. I don't want to part with any of my Leicas including the M7 as it has it's use, but for me and many others on this forum we have an open mind and have a right to USE IT. Ken. Ps......Thanks Gerard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChad Posted September 6, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 6, 2009 I'm not sure how much of the 5D mirror needs to be shaved for use on Leica R lenses but the Canon 1D series uses a 1.3x sensor which might be similiar to the DMR in size. It may reduce the need for a shaved mirror and also Canon produces a true split prism focus screen for the 1D/1Ds line. You would need to go 3rd party for split prism focus screens on the 5D series and 40/50D line. The 7D has no option for such with a fixed LCD projection type finder. The older Mk1 and Mk2 1D cameras can be found at very good prices used as well. I've used several AiS Nikkors on my 5DII in the past and it is very challenging to focus such lenses on the standard Canon AF focus screen. A split prism finder option is a must for me when using manual focus lenses on the Canon. One exception would be landscape or macro work where I can use the Live View 10x mag option on the rear LCD. I also find the Canon meter readings somewhat suspect when using my non chipped adapter for older lenses as well, sometimes requiring as much as a full 2-3 stops of adjustment beyond what the camera reads to in M or Av mode. However, this is not apparent until after the photo and histogram are viewed on the LCD. I would offer this as a word of caution before purchasing a Canon 7D as a solution for R lens use, especially with the lack of focus screen options on account of the newer finder design from Canon. However, with regard to video capture, the APS-C HD format and R lenses could offer a very creative option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted September 6, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 6, 2009 However, with regard to video capture, the APS-C HD format and R lenses could offer a very creative option. You're NOT kidding! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted September 6, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 6, 2009 I think the interesting part of this is that the sensor is small and the megapixels high. A number of recent tests (and user opinions) have hinted that the 15 MP 50D sensor outperforms many of the Canon lenses already, so 18MP is going to be further in the direction of more pixels but no more detail. I would imagine that you are wasting your time hoping for more image resolution with zooms at wider apertures or some of the poorer consumer lenses; however, with some of the L lenses (and best non-L) I am sure you would see the benefit of the Eos 7's additional pixels (the 135L, 85L, 35 1.4L etc). The reality is that most of these will be sold with lenses like the 17-85 or 24-105 and apart from at their best apertures, I very much doubt the image detail will increase much if at all over and above what 12 or so MP can deliver. One would expect a M9 to deliver a lot more detail with the best lenses, but it is not a SLR. Each has itsr uses, but the Eos 7 is not FF and not a RF so there is no real competition here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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