stevelap Posted September 1, 2009 Share #41 Posted September 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) .........the fact that this camera is called the M9 will imply it's above the M8 because of the number alone already, but it would be a credible marketing move the have a camera with a higher number that is a less pricy version of a previous model. After all, Canon has downgraded their most recent G camera but nevertheless given it a higher number. If you're referring to the replacement for the G10, Canon haven't downgraded the G line. The G11 is intended to be an advance over the G10, a successor model with improved performance. They have simply reduced the mpx count in order to improve IQ and speed, an eminently sensible move for a small sensor camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Hi stevelap, Take a look here The Leica M9 is a Leica Digital CL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
gromit Posted September 1, 2009 Share #42 Posted September 1, 2009 As a not M8-user, but interested in the new exciting developments, I would like to point out (or ask) how Leica would have solved the problem with the digital sensor and the full frame configuration. What I always understood was that Leica had a problem with light rays under a too large angle, which is no problem for film. How could they came up with a solution for this rather intrinsic problem of sensors, when they needed micro lenses to reach a 1.33 crop factor? Cheers, Walter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 1, 2009 Share #43 Posted September 1, 2009 As a not M8-user, but interested in the new exciting developments, I would like to point out (or ask) how Leica would have solved the problem with the digital sensor and the full frame configuration. What I always understood was that Leica had a problem with light rays under a too large angle, which is no problem for film. How could they came up with a solution for this rather intrinsic problem of sensors, when they needed micro lenses to reach a 1.33 crop factor? Cheers, Walter Who said they don't use micro lenses on the full frame sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 1, 2009 Share #44 Posted September 1, 2009 I don't know if FF and crop cameras can be considered substitutes in a niche market like rangefinders but Leica might well think that 4 years is long enough to cope with the M8, err, peculiarities and turn its page definitely accordingly. As for the digital CL it's been a dream of mine for a long time but we'll get an EVIL instead i'm afraid. Just a guess though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted September 1, 2009 Share #45 Posted September 1, 2009 Who said they don't use micro lenses on the full frame sensor? OK, could be. But, would such a revolution in the sensor world be unnoticed? I mean, this would be a solution for a tough problem (as I understood it), that's why for example the EP-1 is not FF, but compact... Just my guess.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 1, 2009 Share #46 Posted September 1, 2009 "just as The Ivy aren't about to open a take away running out of a caravan on a layby off the A12 !!" translation: "just as The Four Seasons isn't about to sell carry-out from a motor home in a rest area off I-78" Two cultures separated by a common language... BTW: Restaurants magazine says The Fat Duck in Bray, Berks. is the top UK restaurant. The video clearly shows a full-sized (or larger) M digital - I doubt that what we see there is an "entry-level" camera. But that does not mean there is not one ready behind the scenes, as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 1, 2009 Share #47 Posted September 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know if FF and crop cameras can be considered substitutes in a niche market like rangefinders but Leica might well think that 4 years is long enough to cope with the M8, err, peculiarities and turn its page definitely accordingly. An M9 would be the perfect substitute for my M8.2 More seriously, for some, the M8.2 would be a good enough substitute for an M9, while for others, it's more important to have FF than to have a rangefinder, so they would opt for the M9 if/when exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted September 1, 2009 Share #48 Posted September 1, 2009 An M9 would be the perfect substitute for my M8.2 More seriously, for some, the M8.2 would be a good enough substitute for an M9, while for others, it's more important to have FF than to have a rangefinder, so they would opt for the M9 if/when exists. I would like to have normal sized and normal priced (as this applies to Leica lenses, but...) summicron or summilux wide angle lenses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted September 1, 2009 Share #49 Posted September 1, 2009 considering that leica sells rebadged panasonics for twice the price (and close to 1000$), a CL or "novice" P&S style leica would still be in the 2000$ range...which is not very interesting.....the m8 is dropping in price and the m9 will be a bit higher then the original m8....but it would be the only CCD, no AA filter camera....almost a phase back in a p&s body....which is why it is so interesting to so many people....and with the best lenses available it will provide quality better then canons and nikons for years to come....of course without all the bells and whistles, but that is what the 7D is for anyway.... a FF m9 will sell like hotcakes, almost regardless of price.....a CL, as good as it might be, still competes with the g10 or g11 and won't be close in price.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 1, 2009 Share #50 Posted September 1, 2009 ....a CL, as good as it might be, still competes with the g10 or g11 and won't be close in price.... Aside from body size perhaps, a digital CL would have no common point with compact cameras like g10 or g11 which have no rangefinder, no APS sensor and cannot fit interchangeable lenses either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted September 2, 2009 Share #51 Posted September 2, 2009 Aside from body size perhaps, a digital CL would have no common point with compact cameras like g10 or g11 which have no rangefinder, no APS sensor and cannot fit interchangeable lenses either. sorry...i got carried away....i guess the competition would be the olympus and panasonic.... i hope they don't just show a rebadged panasonic for twice the price...again... they should focus on the m...they are the only game in town and they can really offer something unique and truly unparalelled image quality.... and i really hope the S2 won't sink them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted September 2, 2009 Share #52 Posted September 2, 2009 Hello all, I'm pretty sure the M9 will be a down-sized M8, instead of an up-sized one. More like a digital CL. I have written a summary article on the Leica invitation video and shots taken from it, as well as Leica's written invitation that came along with it. You can find it at www.portretteur.nl Although most forum members are pooh poohing what you say a friend of mine, who also is a Leica rep, told me over a year ago that he held an M digital prototype camera that was the size of a CL/CLE. I have no reason to doubt him as he has been correct about everything else Leica has produced. It would make sense for Leica to introduce an M camera in the $3K-4K range for the Summarit lens line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamriman Posted September 2, 2009 Share #53 Posted September 2, 2009 The M9 will be 6-8k and ship to my US dealer around Oct. Reliable info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard.no Posted September 2, 2009 Share #54 Posted September 2, 2009 Although most forum members are pooh poohing what you say a friend of mine, who also is a Leica rep, told me over a year ago that he held an M digital prototype camera that was the size of a CL/CLE. I have no reason to doubt him as he has been correct about everything else Leica has produced. It would make sense for Leica to introduce an M camera in the $3K-4K range for the Summarit lens line. I also recall people speaking of a cheap, entry level digital M about a year ago (maybe I read one of your posts?) And we've had some recent small hints that the released camera just might not be full frame. Personally, I think the most important things are to be able to use unfiltered lenses and that the camera is small and quiet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psss Posted September 2, 2009 Share #55 Posted September 2, 2009 i guess the cat is out of the bag....Steve's Digicams the really interesting part is the first leica micro 3/4 lens...... so i guess along with the m9 (yeah!) there will be an overpriced/rebadged panasonic/leica micro 3/4 body....yawn... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 2, 2009 Share #56 Posted September 2, 2009 psss - you are aware that there have been 30+ Panasonic cameras that had "Leica"-branded lenses - and never showed up in a Leica version? Such as: http://www.avchicago.com/images/PanasonicHVX200Diag.jpg or: Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review A "Leica" lens has nothing to do with whether Leica will also sell a version of the same camera. Leica picks and chooses among Panasonic's wide range of cameras as they please. Better find another cat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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