Schwarzer_M3 Posted September 1, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello all, I'm pretty sure the M9 will be a down-sized M8, instead of an up-sized one. More like a digital CL. I have written a summary article on the Leica invitation video and shots taken from it, as well as Leica's written invitation that came along with it. You can find it at www.portretteur.nl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted September 1, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 1, 2009 I don't think so. If you read the forum and watch the video you would see the M9 is a full size camera, maybe slightly bigger then the M8. One thing Leica has to do is make it thinner then the M8 so they can fit the FF 28mm framelines in the viewfinder and maintain a decent magnification factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 1, 2009 Maybe the screen is a bit smaller and moved to the left. It may have to do with anything. But do note that the top round LCD has disappeared. It may well be that there is a smaller screen on th RH side. It may have to do with the location of the battery . Or with the viewfinder configuration as Ed notes. The higher top may signify a larger VF window. All guesses. A CL? Who knows? But the M9 will be a full-sized camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 1, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 1, 2009 Maybe the screen is a bit smaller and moved to the left. It may have to do with anything. But do note that the top round LCD has disappeared. It may well be that there is a smaller screen on th RH side. It may have to do with the location of the battery . Or with the viewfinder configuration as Ed notes. The higher top may signify a larger VF window. All guesses. A CL? Who knows? But the M9 will be a full-sized camera. Does the top round LCD panel provide any usefull information that cannot be displayed using the screen. My guess is that it is removed to reduce costs. Both battery and memory card status can be read out on the screen (with new software). This is also a kind of information that you don't need to check for each shot, making it unneccesary to use a separate display to provide the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 1, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 1, 2009 Both battery and memory card status can be read out on the screen (with new software). But what about battery use? We already know from Mark's analysis that having preview switched off increases battery life dramatically. Where's the sense in using that same display to show battery and the remaining shot count? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 1, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 1, 2009 But what about battery use? We already know from Mark's analysis that having preview switched off increases battery life dramatically. Where's the sense in using that same display to show battery and the remaining shot count? But you don't need to know battery status after each and every shot, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted September 1, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) But what about battery use? We already know from Mark's analysis that having preview switched off increases battery life dramatically. Where's the sense in using that same display to show battery and the remaining shot count? But remaining frame count is not really an issue anymore and the battery status was rather crude anyway (four bars?). The battery level only really matters once you're close to drained. I don't think I am checking that top display often, certainly less often than I am using the back screen (even with preview off). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 1, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 1, 2009 But you don't need to know battery status after each and every shot, do you? No, but it's something you 'keep your eye on' when you've been shooting for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted September 1, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 1, 2009 It's in favor of a more clean design, less buttons, less displays.... I think it fits the M-concept very well, we don't want a Gameboy, just a slick, efficient machine to take digital images! The viewfinder is new, so it's very likely that they installed a better display insiide the viewfinder (maybe even electric framelines?) to give all relevant information even without using the display on the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted September 1, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 1, 2009 Maybe it is a painted wood model and they did not have a big enough piece of wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 1, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 1, 2009 Maybe it's more like a digital Leica M5 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 1, 2009 Does the top round LCD panel provide any usefull information that cannot be displayed using the screen. My guess is that it is removed to reduce costs. Both battery and memory card status can be read out on the screen (with new software). This is also a kind of information that you don't need to check for each shot, making it unneccesary to use a separate display to provide the info. Or - some information could have been added. The little screen on the S2 springs to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzer_M3 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted September 1, 2009 I think it's strange that so many people consider the M8 inadequate. Sure, ISO performance is disappointing and the IR-filters suck, they annoy the hell out of me on a daily basis. But I think the 1.33 crop factor is brilliantly chosen if using a cropped sensor is unavoidable. Because: 12mm=16mm, 15mm=20mm, 21mm=28mm, 28mm=37mm, 35mm=48mm, 50mm=67mm, 90mm=120mm, 135mm=180mm. All focal lengths that are pretty close to existing focal lengths on FF camera's. So, how big is the need for a FF sensor really, when all sentiments are erased from the equation? On the subject of the M9: I feel the S2 can only be considered a camera for the professional, but Leica stated they will also introduce a camera for the novices. Now, the fact that this camera is called the M9 will imply it's above the M8 because of the number alone already, but it would be a credible marketing move the have a camera with a higher number that is a less pricy version of a previous model. After all, Canon has downgraded their most recent G camera but nevertheless given it a higher number. Please read the article on www.portretteur.nl to see my motivation for thinking the M9 is a Digital CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted September 1, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 1, 2009 Or - some information could have been added. The little screen on the S2 springs to mind. Yes, that could be the alterative. Will depent on the cost, though. On the S2, they can afford more expensive solutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 1, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 1, 2009 The German word used in the video. Does it mean 'novice' in the sense of someone who doesn't have much experience of photography, or does it mean 'novice' in the sense of someone who's a newcomer to Leicas? If the latter then it could be referring to an entry level version of the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 1, 2009 "Einsteiger" means somebody who buys into Leica for the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 1, 2009 I think it's strange that so many people consider the M8 inadequate. Sure, ISO performance is disappointing and the IR-filters suck, they annoy the hell out of me on a daily basis. But I think the 1.33 crop factor is brilliantly chosen if using a cropped sensor is unavoidable. Because: 12mm=16mm, 15mm=20mm, 21mm=28mm, 28mm=37mm, 35mm=48mm, 50mm=67mm, 90mm=120mm, 135mm=180mm. All focal lengths that are pretty close to existing focal lengths on FF camera's. So, how big is the need for a FF sensor really, when all sentiments are erased from the equation? On the subject of the M9: I feel the S2 can only be considered a camera for the professional, but Leica stated they will also introduce a camera for the novices. Now, the fact that this camera is called the M9 will imply it's above the M8 because of the number alone already, but it would be a credible marketing move the have a camera with a higher number that is a less pricy version of a previous model. After all, Canon has downgraded their most recent G camera but nevertheless given it a higher number. Please read the article on www.portretteur.nl to see my motivation for thinking the M9 is a Digital CL. Quote from Mr.Daniel: "It is obvious that after the M8 there will come something new, the M9" and later : "the new M camera, be it an M9 or an M8.3" Nothing about superiority, just about a successor (that, clearly, must be, in some ways, an improvement on the existing model, otherwise it would make no sense) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted September 1, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 1, 2009 There is an M9, but there is something else coming. Look at the You Tube video at around 1.04 and you will see what looks like a viewfinder distance scale in the shot; I am sure this is a reference to something like a digital CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 1, 2009 Yes- the word is there will be three things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted September 1, 2009 Share #20 Posted September 1, 2009 Goldie, re a distance scale, we should not forget that Leica Camera's siblings make electronic rangefinders. I've often considered buying one for cinematic use, but also wondered why Leica doesn't incorporate its expertise in electronic distance measurement into its cameras. Contrary to Adam Smith, companies do not always follow the shortest or the most efficient path to their own interests, so I'm not holding my breath. This could just be pretty graphics from the video production company. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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