Mark2007 Posted August 26, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have M8 but sometime I need to Film Camera. I diciesion making for the film. 1. I think sell M8 for MP 2. Buy M6TTL 2hand best mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 26, 2009 Posted August 26, 2009 Hi Mark2007, Take a look here Sell M8 for MP or buy M6 TTL 2hand. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jerryharwood Posted August 26, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 26, 2009 Get 2nd hand TTL ! No qeustion about it ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted August 26, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 26, 2009 MP, no question about it. Get it new, keep a lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smullink Posted August 26, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 26, 2009 I have both, m8 and mp hammertone. I like the combination (sometimes not, don't forget to get rid of the IR filters when using film), sometimes digital is nice, faster for collaborating pictures with each other. The nice thing about film is the 'film-look' and the ergonomics of the film M camera's. When speed is no issue and the budget is limited i would choose for the 'old' way and take a MP, very nice camera much nicer than a M6ttl. But if you like to have fast digital pictures the m8 and m6 route is the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
think Posted August 26, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 26, 2009 I have both, m8 and mp hammertone. I like the combination (sometimes not, don't forget to get rid of the IR filters when using film), sometimes digital is nice, faster for collaborating pictures with each other. The nice thing about film is the 'film-look' and the ergonomics of the film M camera's.When speed is no issue and the budget is limited i would choose for the 'old' way and take a MP, very nice camera much nicer than a M6ttl. But if you like to have fast digital pictures the m8 and m6 route is the best. I hesitate to be contentious, but I have to ask the questiion... What about an MP is "much nicer" than the M6TTL? I've used both. In the end went with 2 TTL's for the more accessible and more logically handling speed dial, the availability of TTL flash when/if desired and because I like one handed shooting facilitated by using a grip (PhotoEquip) which pretty much negates the niggling Height Difference. The savings between 2 NOS TTL's (.85 and .72) and 2 new MP's netted me a pair of used Summilux, VF upgrades and the aforementioned M-Grips. The MP is a lovely camera, but to "pedestalize" it in relation to the TTL's functionality is, to me, a real stretch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted August 26, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 26, 2009 Really a decision that comes down to your own personal preferences. If you get rid of the M8, are you going to regret the loss of your ability to shoot digital RF? Will you just be reversing the problem you currently have - having a digital, but wanting to shoot some film? If you want to do both, get the M6. It's a great camera. If you can live with out a digital RF, get the MP. It's an even greater camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted August 26, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Keep the M8 and add a M6 Versus only owning a MP? The choice is so easy. I honestly can't see a difference between a M6 and MP. I see the MP as an M6.2. There is no improvement from the M6 to the MP and it appears that Leica's QC went down since many people complain about their MP's reliability. I'd keep the MP and add a M6ttl. No brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted August 26, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 26, 2009 The MP is a lovely camera, but to "pedestalize" it in relation to the TTL's functionality is, to me, a real stretch. Not really a worth while debate, and one already very well documented here and everywhere. In my opinion, this is not a question of functionality, as they basically function exactly the same. But there are several modest distinctions that create disproportionately fervent emotional reactions and preference. - standard black paint - brass body - smaller (shorter) body - refined edges/lines (a bit more modern design) - engraving - straight rewind knob (arguably more durable) - old style, brass levers - brass gears (arguably smoother advance) - body covering - reduced flare in the viewfinder - smaller shutter dial (turns "right" way) - no front logo (red dot) - latest/newer than M6 TTL - heritage of the name, MP Some value those differences, some don't. That's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted August 26, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 26, 2009 I have M8 but sometime I need to Film Camera. I diciesion making for the film. 1. I think sell M8 for MP 2. Buy M6TTL 2hand best mark Get an M6 Classic. It will not cost the earth and you will have the icons of rangefinder camera in both digital and film. MP very expensive and not really necessary unless you want to appear like a press photographer that is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted August 26, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 26, 2009 I honestly can't see a difference between a M6 and MP. There is no improvement from the M6 to the MP Clearly, there are many differences, as noted above. You and others just may not value those differences. That's cool. it appears that Leica's QC went down since many people complain about their MP's reliability. Difficult to qualify this statement in any meaningful way. Having owned both M6's and MP's, to me the build quality is night and day. The MP feels much more solid and smoother in operation, and a build quality that is further supported by DAG/Don Goldberg. But regardless, naturally any product that gets a lot of press and encourages strong emotional reactions, such as the MP, is going to have a disproportionate perception of problems (be them real or imagined). I'm sure there are many claims of problems with M6's as well, but we just don't hear about them as much. Because, well, they're not the MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted August 26, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 26, 2009 MP very expensive and not really necessary unless you want to appear like a press photographer that is It's always funny to me how people will belittle other people's interest in owning something, an MP in this case. How does owning and using an MP mean that someone wants to "appear" like anything (press photographer, or otherwise)??? Get over it. Sometimes people just want a nice camera, which has nothing to do with them wanting to appear to be anything other than who they are. Just as many other people do, I happen to value the differences of the MP over the M6. That hardly makes me anything other than someone that values the differences of one over the other. The M6 is an awesome camera as well, by the way. But different in some ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted August 26, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 26, 2009 Clearly there are many differences. You and others just may not value those differences. All the tiny differences make it a M6.2 in my book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted August 26, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 26, 2009 All the tiny differences make it a M6.2 in my book. Cool. Makes sense, that you or anyone would look at it like that. It's acknowledging that A) there are differences (regardless of how small or significant), and that everyone is entitled to their opinion and what that means "in their book". Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smullink Posted August 27, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 27, 2009 Not really a worth while debate, and one already very well documented here and everywhere. In my opinion, this is not a question of functionality, as they basically function exactly the same. But there are several modest distinctions that create disproportionately fervent emotional reactions and preference. - standard black paint - brass body - smaller (shorter) body - refined edges/lines (a bit more modern design) - engraving - straight rewind knob (arguably more durable) - old style, brass levers - brass gears (arguably smoother advance) - body covering - reduced flare in the viewfinder - smaller shutter dial (turns "right" way) - no front logo (red dot) - latest/newer than M6 TTL - heritage of the name, MP Some value those differences, some don't. That's all. I agree, not going to talk all over againt he diffs between MP and M6 ttl. In the first please the starter of this topic found for himself a difference between M6TTL and MP else he didn't start that this topic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted August 27, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 27, 2009 Have you thought about an M7? I have an M3, M7, M8.2. The M7 is like the film version of the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted August 27, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 27, 2009 The 'I love my MP' thread is much longer.... Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alun Posted August 27, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 27, 2009 [...] MP very expensive and not really necessary unless you want to appear like a press photographer that is That's good -- just how many press photogs do you imagine shoot with MPs currently? A press photog from twenty+ years ago, perhaps.... It seems to me that used M6s and M6TTLs (but by and large not used MPs) have just taken yet another slight tumble in price in recent months after holding steady for quite some time. There are used good quality/condition M6TTLs around at *excellent* prices right now -- some I have spotted little more than half what a used MP would cost, and certainly around GBP100.00 less than what I paid two/three years ago. If getting a used M6TTL means the OP could also keep his M8 that would seem the most sensible arrangement...unless "sensible" is not the point, of course, in which case off-load the M8 for the MP of your choice!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Posted August 27, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 27, 2009 I would buy the 2nd hand M6 (TTL). By the way - Its always good having a 2nd body, even if its a film camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted August 27, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 27, 2009 My vote would be to keep the M8 and add an M7; the fluidity of handling will be similiar when the M7 is operated in Auto mode. I carry a pair of M8's and an M7 and there are no hiccups when switching between mediums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth Posted August 27, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 27, 2009 That's good -- just how many press photogs do you imagine shoot with MPs currently? A press photog from twenty+ years ago, perhaps.... It seems to me that used M6s and M6TTLs (but by and large not used MPs) have just taken yet another slight tumble in price in recent months after holding steady for quite some time. There are used good quality/condition M6TTLs around at *excellent* prices right now -- some I have spotted little more than half what a used MP would cost, and certainly around GBP100.00 less than what I paid two/three years ago. If getting a used M6TTL means the OP could also keep his M8 that would seem the most sensible arrangement...unless "sensible" is not the point, of course, in which case off-load the M8 for the MP of your choice!! I have no idea Alun but I do know that the P designation in a camera name usually meant Press meaning that the particular model was a stripped down model devoid of any superfluous features such as aperture priority and even sometimes lacking metering as the press boys often viewed those sort of additions as decidedly amateurish. Your argument would suggest that the original posters choice might best be served with an M6 or a ttl if flash is an important requirement. Either would give years of trouble free service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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