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Does anybody know why the M9 will be launched first in France ?

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All I know is that Pascal M was the first Leica Forum member to post an image from his M8, purchased in Paris. Of course, about two hours later, he was the first to report the banding issue, too...

 

More than that, Pascal was also first to show the world the wonders of IR contamination, if I recall.

 

I think Leica will be holding their collective breath. "We couldn't have screwed up a second time, could we?"

 

Pascal, are you buying?

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I'd be more inclined to believe that the number, 729, represents the number of days until the

M9 is actually available.

 

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Actually I think it's the number of days before I can afford one if I buy yet another $6000 Leica lens in the meantime.

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Boy, if the 30% lens discount are to be offered again, I know I'll pick up a 50/.95 this time. :D

 

But seriously, I couldn't agree more with Guy ... and if I remembered correctly, that the first leak about M8 came from France too.

 

If this happens with another brand name, I'd have almost come to the conclusion that this is part of a viral marketing scheme, it's so popular among some prominent online communities and blogs now, marketing persons pose as tipsters or fanboys seeking 5 minute Internet fame just to create buzz before major product announcements with minimal to none advert. cost.

 

I'm not saying that somebody did this on purpose but like Guy has pointed out, it really shouldn't be like this. What's the fun with a story if all knows about its ending right from the beginning? :)

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Who said it will be launched at all.

 

<snip> Guy says a lot of common sense here ....

 

I just think people need to think before opening a can of worms for a company that if something goes seriously wrong can have a big egg on their face.

 

 

I'm with you on this one. I fear that there's a danger of there being one hell of a September 10th bad hangover party if there's no M9, it isn't full frame, it still needs IR filters, or it's still 10mp (I could care less about that one), or it's announced but won't ship until some indeterminate point in the future - i.e. Q3/Q4 2011 etc. It'll be ugly.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing the posts of the offended threatening to sell their toys and sulk elsewhere with new Nikons/Canons/Sonys etc.

 

In the meantime I really, really, really would love to see the proposed specs be accurate and for Leica to surprise us all with a positive announcement about an M9 with some likely delivery dates. Only a few days to go before we know SOMETHING I guess. :o.

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More than that, Pascal was also first to show the world the wonders of IR contamination, if I recall.

 

I think Leica will be holding their collective breath. "We couldn't have screwed up a second time, could we?"

 

Pascal, are you buying?

 

Yes but with some big IFs. If the size is not too big, if it shows progress with high isos, if it is as silent as the M8.2...

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Is 9/9/09 going to be the release day or news conference?

 

As others already said, nobody knows for sure. However, the friend I mentioned here already made a reservation and was told by his dealer that they'll have a couple of units available on September 9 and that he - being one their most valuable customers - could take home one the same day.

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Why all the angst about the leaks? Look at the marvellous leaking, marketing job which Olympus did with its Pen E-P1 recently. People were salivating for it, and the build up cost nothing.

 

Company "secrets" are sacred? Leica will be in a bind if the M9 is not announced?

 

If Leica was at all concerned then all of this could have been shut down with a one sentence press release a few weeks ago.

 

The silence speaks volumes.

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Yes but with some big IFs. If the size is not too big, if it shows progress with high isos, if it is as silent as the M8.2...

 

The M8.2 is not a silent camera. Perhaps more silent than the M8, still not in the silent league of cameras.

 

The "silent mode" is of some help, but it's far from turning the M8.2 into a stealth camera.

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BTW who really cares if it get's launched at 9 am in France or 10 am in Italy. It's the content that counts.

 

Guy, it's just speculation. Even if there'd been no hint of something on the 9th people would still speculate about what an M9 ought to be like, it's what happens on forums.

 

Dealers taking orders for a - at this point in time - non-existent camera is a bit odd, but perhaps that is just a reflection of the economic times we live in.

 

If it turns out that nothing is announced on the 9th then so be it. It's Leica's call and they've said nothing officially about the replacement for the M8.

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I thought your dealer and Leica UK told you it was all nonsense?:confused::rolleyes:

 

That was their position a week ago. They now say that there is to be an announcement but would not comment further. Actually RG Lewis has announced on their web site an event on 10 Sept that is billed as 100 years celebration of founding the RG Lewis shop .They do NOT mention on the web site anything about a new camera

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Who said it will be launched at all. Man these NDA's and dealers need to keep their mouths shut for one. Not that I really care but I honestly think this whole M9 is a mess on how it is being handled and people speaking when they are not supposed to be and dealers taking orders on non announced products. Sorry call me any name you want but this is supposed to be confidently company information that no one is really supposed to be talking about and the folks behind the scenes really need to keep it behind the scenes. I don't have a NDA on this project but I have in the past with leica and I don't know call me a prude but I know more about this project than I am supposed too.

 

I don't now maybe I'm nuts but what is the point of the NDA's and telling dealers to keep this confidently when there taking pre-orders from people. Seriously if I was a dealer I would not be taking pre-orders on unannounced anything and no offense but take it anyway those that are should really consider there reputations if this thing falls through the cracks. Okay I said my peace and anyone that does NOT agree than I really could give a rats arsh.

 

Now having said all that I am very close to Leica and their executive levels and I have my own forum with Leica stuff, I get support from Leica on my workshops and I have beta tested on several projects. I don't have a NDA on this since I am not shooting M right now but man is the shit flying around like a freaking virus.

 

SOMEONE had to say this, but I will take the hit for it. I guess everyone likes getting their Christmas present a week before the day.

 

BTW who really cares if it get's launched at 9 am in France or 10 am in Italy. It's the content that counts. I almost deleted this whole thing, just because i really don't need the following comments that will come from it but screw it. Someone has to be the ass with some sense of reasoning once in a while.

 

To the mods. If this is out of line than please delete with my blessings. I just think people need to think before opening a can of worms for a company that if something goes seriously wrong can have a big egg on their face.

 

BTW if anyone has issue with this than please PM me in private and we can discuss it in private.

 

Well said...you are correct. Leica has a great deal to learn about announcing their products and communicating in general to the public. Some examples:

> The discontinuing of R was announced at a Leica Forum factory tour before dealers were made aware and in the preceding weeks they allowed all that hype about a forthcoming R10.

> The S2 price bomb shell was preceded by months of LFI articles about the devt. and today it is unclear if all dealers will support the product and on what basis.

> The M8.3 or M9 ...FF or not ....availability, price and spec debate that has gone on for weeks. Some people may suggest that this is a good way of getting free market communications however I do not see it that way.

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The M8.3 or M9 ...FF or not ....availability, price and spec debate that has gone on for weeks. Some people may suggest that this is a good way of getting free market communications however I do not see it that way.

 

Come on Frank, none of that has anything to do with Leica, they've maintained their silence throughout. What are they meant to do, respond to every speculative post made on the internet? Or are they meant to announce a new camera body 6th months before it's due to be launched and stiff any sales between then and the launch?

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That was their position a week ago. They now say that there is to be an announcement but would not comment further. Actually RG Lewis has announced on their web site an event on 10 Sept that is billed as 100 years celebration of founding the RG Lewis shop .They do NOT mention on the web site anything about a new camera
Gee.. you were misled...
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> The S2 price bomb shell was preceded by months of LFI articles about the devt. and today it is unclear if all dealers will support the product and on what basis.

Hi Frank

It wasn't a bombshell - at least, not as far as I was concerned - €20,000 or a bit less for the body was always the way I understood it, and it was a bit less. If you hadn't considered the implications of the changing exchange rate, that's hardly Leica's fault.

It's perfectly clear that all dealers won't support it - because some smaller dealers simply won't be able to provide the support. Surely it's kudos to Leica that they are only selling the camera through dealers who are willing to support it properly?

 

Actually, their pricing in terms of exchange rates is pretty equitable wherever you are (based on the fact that they are in Euroland). Lots of others are outrageous. How about the new Canon G11:

$499

€589

£569

!!!!!

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Guy, it's just speculation. Even if there'd been no hint of something on the 9th people would still speculate about what an M9 ought to be like, it's what happens on forums.

 

Dealers taking orders for a - at this point in time - non-existent camera is a bit odd, but perhaps that is just a reflection of the economic times we live in.

 

If it turns out that nothing is announced on the 9th then so be it. It's Leica's call and they've said nothing officially about the replacement for the M8.

 

I know Steve and maybe i was a little rough in my comments but we all know how rumors are some dealer says something to someone and by the time it hits the forum it went through 20 people and the whole story completely changes when we read them and heck we are not even positively sure anything will be announced on any day.

 

Rumors and speculation are fine and actually fun to a certain level and always fun to guess at things. I'm guilty as well as we all are but dealers should not be talking to anyone because all it really serves is there pocket in the end and that was more my thrust of comments , these guys just need to keep that company info private. I'm not talking about a PM from a friend saying something that stuff is private and usually stays private.

 

BTW if anyone took that personally that was not my intention whatsoever. I think folks should just refrain from what a dealer says, lets face it they are trying to sell product and as well intentioned they maybe it is really not in the best interest for the public and especially Leica.

 

Okay off to a all day shoot but maybe I should have deleted my original comment upon reflection . But I just think we need to be careful what is flying around out there. Leica has made no public announcement on anything but the S2 and that is a area i have been talking about myself since I know that stuff pretty well and it is announced product. If there is a new M or whatever than hopefully that will be a good thing for Leica and it's customers. Have a nice day everyone. Check in later

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