jackart Posted August 13, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I looked and looked and looked Robert Grischek S2 portfolio. And I'm not convinced at all. Very "interesting" color temperature and tonality. Take for example these 2 images attached. What is Your opinion about these images? Colors not altered, original images here: LEICA Camera AG - Robert Grischek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 13, 2009 Posted August 13, 2009 Hi jackart, Take a look here Robert Grischek portfolio. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted August 13, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 13, 2009 What is Your opinion about these images? They've been made under very strong coloured lights. I'd have been surprised if they looked 'natural'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted August 13, 2009 They've been made under very strong coloured lights. I'd have been surprised if they looked 'natural'. But is it good for high-end camera promotion??? I really feel, that some pro's are a tad surprised.... Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 13, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 13, 2009 Honestly nice work and all that and certainly nothing against him as a shooter but more in response to MF. These are nice but they really don't tell the real story behind the S2 or MF. No question in my mind the S2 will produce and I know this because I pretty much shot every back out there from 22 mpx to 60 mpx backs and these don't really show of MF sensors. Let's face a few facts there are two types of sensors in play here Dalsa and Kodak and both extremely good sensors. The 37mpx sensor Leica is using is really only 7 percent smaller than my P30+ or the Hassy 31 back at 31mpx and even when I shot the P25+ back the quality from these backs is just amazing and seriously The Leica will be the same or better and my call is it will equal basically the P40+ back with the same 6 micron type sensor which is Dalsa and leica's is Kodak but that won't make any difference on IQ they both will produce outstanding images. In this case these shots frankly just are not showing it off as i have seen what MF can do. Nice effort and nice shots but the S2 can do a lot better as I have seen within the same comparable sensors plus add in the fine quality of Leica glass than this really is a non issue when it will come down to IQ. I know this thing will perform at very high IQ standards within the same comparable backs on the market. The MPX is very good and anything past 40 mpx is really on a limted basis as far as users that have a real need for that kind of sensor. Yes the 60 mpx are drop dead gorgeous no question about it and shot those backs several times but let me say if you have a real need for it and also their is not a worldly difference between 40 and 60 it's there but you need to be looking for it and in most cases the around 40 mpx is way more than what most need. My 31mpx is deadly and anything in this area with the big sensors will produce and produce well. Frankly in the S system there are other things to consider more than the IQ when making the buy decision. Leica is known for quality and the S2 will be no exception on the IQ front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 13, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 13, 2009 In the first photo, all I can see is an ugly rolled seam going down the side of the garment. And the actual design of how the front and back come together to form this seam in a mismatched way make this clothing look cheap. And the wrinkles! If there is anything good about this shot, I don't see it. The colored lights in the bottom shot look real chintzy and poorly thought out. What are they contributing to the shot? Not even a mood. If he was going for a theatrical look, he missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10dreamer Posted August 13, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 13, 2009 These are not technical shots and really don't do the S2 justice. At least I hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernmelder Posted August 13, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) These shots and some more appeared in one of the back issues of LFI magazine. The printed quality was quite good. Better than those two examples at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted August 13, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 13, 2009 So kids....just what WOULD you like to see in an S2 promotional site? Maybe someone can point me in the direction of some digital MF stuff on the web from another manufacturer that would do the format justice? Just curious, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 13, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 13, 2009 No they don't I am afraid to say. MF and the S2 will knock these out of the park. Not real sure why leica went this route except to say the S2 does exist but this is pretty typical of all OEM camera companies they really never show great images that tell the real story. Frankly S2 fans i would simply ignore them they really don't help your buying decision. The S2 I can guarantee just shooting comparable backs will blow you away with detail. Now there is much more to MF than just detail like DR, Tonal Range and all that but seriously and I truly mean no offense to anyone but it can do much better than this. That part is a good thing and something you can count on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted August 13, 2009 May-be the problem is 'cause I just recently bought Hasselblad Annual Awards book. What a quality inside! Beyond comparison with these protos shown in S2 porfolio (and the only porfolio available). One hint for DDP. Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 13, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 13, 2009 It strikes me that the shots may have been put together to demonstrate how the S2 copes with certain conditions: - use of red, yellow and blue spots but skin tones still look natural - control of spectral reflections from the necklace - retention of subtle textures in the velvet hat - demonstration of dynamic range with the brightly-lit, stark white hat while retaining detail in the shadows behind her back - test card-like black and white, stripey catsuit - resolution in eyelashes, hair and fabrics - smooth graduation of shadows on model's face - the pro's here using MF backs will be able to pick out much more than I have ... I agree that the shots themselves don't have much artistic merit but that may not be their purpose. Just a thought. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 13, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 13, 2009 It strikes me that the shots may have been put together to demonstrate how the S2 copes with certain conditions: - use of red, yellow and blue spots but skin tones still look natural - control of spectral reflections from the necklace - retention of subtle textures in the velvet hat - demonstration of dynamic range with the brightly-lit, stark white hat while retaining detail in the shadows behind her back - test card-like black and white, stripey catsuit - resolution in eyelashes, hair and fabrics - smooth graduation of shadows on model's face - the pro's here using MF backs will be able to pick out much more than I have ... I agree that the shots themselves don't have much artistic merit but that may not be their purpose. Just a thought. Pete. We really don't have a clue how contrasty the lighting is or how any other camera would have coped if used at the same time. Nor do we actually know what some of these objects look like. So in my opinion they aren't very appealing photos and they aren't scientific test shots either. That being said, if the camera can't make a really nice high quality image comparable to what other MF cameras can do, something would be seriously wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko101 Posted August 14, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 14, 2009 I understand the whole MF/fashion connection but I know with the D3X promotion they released wildlife scenes and landscapes along with full resolutions JPEGs and they looked stunning. There's no reason why fashion can't be as exciting but I hope we'll see some more examples soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted August 14, 2009 - use of red, yellow and blue spots but skin tones still look natural Pete. Really can't understand it?! Skin tone for #1 picture for my eye is quite off the natural. Would You explain Your view? Thank's Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 14, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 14, 2009 Really can't understand it?! Skin tone for #1 picture for my eye is quite off the natural. Would You explain Your view? Thank's Jaak Jaak, I was referring to photo 2. I've assumed (perhaps wrongly) that the model in photo 1 was wearing a white pancake make-up to match the catsuit, in which case skin colour wouldn't be visible anyway so I've ignored it. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 14, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 14, 2009 Agree with Guy here, there is NO DOUBT also for me, that the S2 will have fabulous IQ and will be equal or better to other MFDB solutions around, especially if you consider the Leica glass. The issues which really need to be solved are: support and service future evolution of the S System (lenses and S3, S4,...) SW to handle these files before they are exported into TIFF and PS If these issues, which are currently OPEN issues in the whole S System and Leica story, are not solved the right way, the S System will be nothing better than a nice try by Leica - maybe their last big try Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted August 14, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 14, 2009 May-be the problem is 'cause I just recently bought Hasselblad Annual Awards book. What a quality inside! Beyond comparison with these protos shown in S2 porfolio (and the only porfolio available). One hint for DDP. Jaak Book is a different story really. As dicko101 noted, there were full file DL's available from the D3X to show what you might expect. And i definitely recall people posting DMR samples at full resolution when that started hitting the shelves. It's likely that Leica had to get something up there to let people know that they have working samples of the camera, and that it wasnt merely vaporware. Leica is going to have anough of an uphill battle as it is with the S2 given some of the sentiments on this forum and the pricing. Should be quite interesting once the camera is actually out and in use to see what starts coming out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 14, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 14, 2009 Leica is going to have anough of an uphill battle as it is with the S2 given some of the sentiments on this forum and the pricing. The chances are that the S2's target audience are too busy working to consider wasting their time on internet forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackart Posted August 14, 2009 Author Share #19 Posted August 14, 2009 Leica has been in reportage/streetshot area. Not much in fashion business, where big money waits. Its kind of new customer sector to Leica. New playfield, where currently Hasselblad, Leaf, Canon and Nikon are playing, just to name few. Fact, that S2 Portfolio by Robert Grischek is from fashion proves partially my speculation. But I would try to prove real fashion/glamour ability. I can't explain, for what current photos stand for. Jaak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted August 14, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 14, 2009 The chances are that the S2's target audience are too busy working to consider wasting their time on internet forums. No matter how many times that's been said here...no one seems to get it. Knowing a few photographers who assist and do testing shots for the big guys in Manhattan, I agree completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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