J Mitchum Posted August 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Over at DPReview there is a thread on the upcoming Panasonic GF1 m43 camera. In the picture there you can see there is a Leica 45mm m43 lens next to it. You can see that there are two versions of this lens, the Leica version and the Lumix version: Panasonic new M4/3 GF1: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Leica version: http://image2.xitek.com/forum/200908/443/44309/44309_1249560837.jpg (note the Leica font and text "MACRO-ELMARIT 1 : 2.8/45 ASPH" Lumix version: http://image2.xitek.com/forum/200908/6024/602456/602456_1249581840.jpg (note the Lumix style and text "LUMIX G MACRO 1 : 2.8/45 ASPH Mega O.I.S." If there is a Leica version of the same lens then could it be that there will be a Leica version of the camera as well? Interesting since they had indicated they had no interest in the m43 format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Hi J Mitchum, Take a look here Leica m43 camera?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
farnz Posted August 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted August 6, 2009 The links have been blocked by the host site (Xitec) with a notice stating: "Direct linking prohibitted." Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted August 6, 2009 Share #3 Posted August 6, 2009 Links seem to work ok. Its about as interesting as any non existent maybe one day soon to be released. Bound to be a hit here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted August 6, 2009 Hmm ... tried the links again: same problem. Maybe they just don't want me to see the pictures - and who could blame them? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted August 6, 2009 Leica have already said that they may make lenses for micro 4/3 cameras but aren't interested in the format from a camera point of view. I suspect that the lenses are made by Panasonic anyway and just branded as per the digicams. Links not working here either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 6, 2009 Share #6 Posted August 6, 2009 Here's the original thread in Chinese: Panasonic GF1 and Macro-Elmarit 45 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted August 6, 2009 Share #7 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was going to say they only let the good people in:rolleyes:. Maybe look at that French pirate word thingie Pete, or get mum to adjust your pornography settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 6, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 6, 2009 I was going to say they only let the good people in:rolleyes:.Maybe look at that French pirate word thingie Pete, or get mum to adjust your pornography settings? Nah, Rob, my mum's adamant that she's not going to change the porno settings cos she couldn't do without it. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 6, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 6, 2009 Ahh ... it turns out that Safari for Windows browser is at fault. I can see the image in both IE7 and Firefox. The GF-1 looks a bit like an LX-3 with interchangeable lenses. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 7, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 7, 2009 Here's a link with a more "stable" version of the GF-1 image - at least it shows up in Safari: Rumored Micro Four Thirds Panasonic GF1 gets pictured The original link page showed a 45mm macro LUMIX lens - now I can see the semi-blocked image does include a 45mm Macro-ELMARIT. Supposedly Panasonic said, with the G-1 intro, that they could only label lenses "Leica" if the lens did not require processing in-camera to correct distortion and color fringes, so presumably this lens measures up in either Leica or Lumix livery. Edit: BTW, lots of Panasonic-only products sport "Leica" lenses - it has nothing to do with whether there is a "Leica" version of the same camera. Including most their videocams, none of which has ever had a Leica equivalent: http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=361001&catGroupId=112502&surfModel=AG-HMC40 or http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/Camcorders/Hi-Def-Camcorders/model.HDC-HS300K_11002_7000000000000005702 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted August 7, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 7, 2009 That should please the MFT folks. Personally I think that this is a smart shift in direction for the Four Thirds concept. The downsize was of course pioneered by Olympus. Older members will recall the OM-1 starting a trend back then too. On Leica equivalents, Stefan Daniel in June said what others have confirmed for you. Leica is not interested in making MFT cameras but may make some lenses. Leica's relationship with Panasonic continues. Over at DPReview there is a thread on the upcoming Panasonic GF1 m43 camera. In the picture there you can see there is a Leica 45mm m43 lens next to it. You can see that there are two versions of this lens, the Leica version and the Lumix version: Panasonic new M4/3 GF1: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Leica version: http://image2.xitek.com/forum/200908/443/44309/44309_1249560837.jpg (note the Leica font and text "MACRO-ELMARIT 1 : 2.8/45 ASPH" Lumix version: http://image2.xitek.com/forum/200908/6024/602456/602456_1249581840.jpg (note the Lumix style and text "LUMIX G MACRO 1 : 2.8/45 ASPH Mega O.I.S." If there is a Leica version of the same lens then could it be that there will be a Leica version of the camera as well? Interesting since they had indicated they had no interest in the m43 format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted August 7, 2009 Two versions of the same lens: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/92693-leica-m43-camera/?do=findComment&comment=985745'>More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted August 7, 2009 On Leica equivalents, Stefan Daniel in June said what others have confirmed for you. Leica is not interested in making MFT cameras but may make some lenses. Leica's relationship with Panasonic continues. Yes but I read that as Leica not wanting to manufacturer a mTF camera of their own. They wouldn't have to. Like the Digilux, D-Lux, C-Lux, etc. it would simply be a rebadged Panasonic as always. Unless he was specifically referring to the Panasonic relationship when he said that. I'm still hoping that Panasonic released a second mFT after this that resembles the LC1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 7, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 7, 2009 It's pretty clear in the larger image of the lens that all the labels are mockups printed on transparent tape and stuck on (not very well either - I hope Panny's production fit-and-finish is better than that). Easy enough to swap out labels for two different pictures. I'd guess the objects in these pictures are all mockups in some stage of development or other - not surprising if, as stated, the provenance is an internal Panny document. I'm sure the product is probably "real" in the sense that it will get to market pretty soon - and not a bad idea. EVF as an option for SLR-types, or EP-1-style screen or optical finder for the non-SLR types - hot-swappable. One lens label reads: "LUMIX G MACRO 1:2.8/45 ASPH MEGA O.I.S." The other reads: "LEICA (blurred - "D" for digital?) MACRO-ELMARIT 1:2.8/45 ASPH" If they are the same lens, why no O.I.S. for Leica? It's just some industrial designer screwing around with paste-up concepts on the road to a final product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 7, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 7, 2009 Leica has finally published it annual financial report and you really need to read it since it talks about rebadged midrange system cameras from third party providers as part of their strategy. I'll bet they have changed their position on M4/3. A careful read and knowledge of how accountants use language to hide bad news in financial statements while meeting legal disclosure requirements point to a tough year ahead for Leica with significant dependence on the success of the S2 and the midrange system camera and lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 7, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 7, 2009 John: Well, sure - the Digilux 2 dug Leica out of a hole (at least part way) in 2004/5 - no question they need the third-party products, which got a little thin with the demise of the V-Lux and Digilux 3. Between the "upgrades/no upgrades/some upgrades" and "R10/no R10", I think Leica is a firm believer in "That was then. This is now." So I think you might well be right that they've changed their mind regarding m4/3rds, too. Especially since it's Panny's baby and they have the technology right here, right now. Panny's putting out their own M and R adapters may have been a little nudge to Leica - "Hey, you want a piece of this action or not?" I just wouldn't jump to conclusions based on Chartpak mockups or a Leica name on a lens. Between the "solution" for Leica R lenses, the need for a mid-range something between the C-Lux/D-Lux and the M8 (and for that matter an update of the C/D themselves), and a hypothetical M9, Leica has a lot of - things - hanging in the breeze. It will be interesting to see what really develops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted August 7, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 7, 2009 Leica has finally published it annual financial report and you really need to read it since it talks about rebadged midrange system cameras from third party providers as part of their strategy. I'll bet they have changed their position on M4/3. A careful read and knowledge of how accountants use language to hide bad news in financial statements while meeting legal disclosure requirements point to a tough year ahead for Leica with significant dependence on the success of the S2 and the midrange system camera and lenses. Wot ... the pennies dropped on a number of fronts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 7, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 7, 2009 See this post of mine #18 in another thread for more details. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/94279-leica-announces-launch-new-system-cameras.html#post988640 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 7, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 7, 2009 Two threads running in parallel here, as John notes - follow his link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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