SJP Posted August 6, 2009 Share #61 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I need a wife first! Use the Dlux4 as bait Concerning formatting of SD cards I did some minor Googling and found the following at a Panasonic webpage: "Generally, SD/SDHC Memory Card file systems formatted with generic operating system formatting software do not comply with the SD Memory Card specification." See here for their solution - a dedicated SD & SDHC formatting software thingy. I haven't tried it as my cards are still OK but for this specific problem it might be useful. It is worth noting that the M8 in camera format is nothing more than clearing of the FAT & creating a folder structure (it is way to fast to be a full format), same applies to format in the cardreader using Win XP (I think you can do a "full format" as an option, but I would have to try that at home). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted August 6, 2009 Share #62 Posted August 6, 2009 Use the Dlux4 as bait Concerning formatting of SD cards I did some minor Googling and found the following at a Panasonic webpage: "Generally, SD/SDHC Memory Card file systems formatted with generic operating system formatting software do not comply with the SD Memory Card specification." See here for their solution - a dedicated SD & SDHC formatting software thingy. I haven't tried it as my cards are still OK but for this specific problem it might be useful. It is worth noting that the M8 in camera format is nothing more than clearing of the FAT & creating a folder structure (it is way to fast to be a full format), same applies to format in the cardreader using Win XP (I think you can do a "full format" as an option, but I would have to try that at home). The only difference between a quick format and a full format, afaik, is the addition of a checkdisk in the latter case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 6, 2009 Share #63 Posted August 6, 2009 I need a wife first! Well, keep it till next month then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted August 6, 2009 Share #64 Posted August 6, 2009 Maurizio, I know you come from the IT world... and, as you, I believe the problem comes from how the M8 firmware writes the MBR table. I guessed also our M8s may use different on-board card readers or with different firmware or drivers. This could also explain the fact all cameras doesn't behave the same. Now a jump back to 2007: When I used to format my cards on the camera (back to 2007, FW ver. 1.xxx), Vista detected, occasionally, the card as if it had been formated on NTFS! When this happened, I couldn't delete the files on the card from my computer or even format the card after having downloading the pictures. Still in 2007 (no SDHC compatibility yet), even when everybody says here: "Format always your cards on the camera", I was formatting them on my computer using FAT (not FAT32 as the M8 would do with a 2GB SD card). I never found any problem after that. Besides, since June 2007 Leica recommends to use this method: FAQ LEICA M8 & M8.2 // September 2008 1.4 With some SD cards, the picture numbers are reset even though the menu item “Picture Numbering” is set to “Continuously”. How can this be avoided? This effect can be avoided by formatting the card in “FAT” standard instead of in “FAT32” standard. Windows users can proceed as follows: - Insert the card into a card reader - Click on the respective drive in the Windows Explorer - Click the right mouse button on the respective drive letter to select the item “Formatting” - Select “FAT” instead of “FAT32” under “File System” - Click on “Start” As you did, when I want to create a new MBR table on, I format the card using another file system, NTFS, and once more using FAT. But being a Windows and Unix user, I love command line commands... In Windows you can use DISKPART which is more powerful: you can even create more than one partition with different file systems in a single card. Well, as I said in my previous message, I'm glad you sort it out and your M8 is working like a charm now. As an engineer I like to understand what's the problem. PS: I also have a Mac at home, but I hate putting on it any removable media (even hard drives) I use on Windows because the hidden files and folders that Mac creates every time you instert media or connect a hard drive, irritates me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 6, 2009 Share #65 Posted August 6, 2009 The only difference between a quick format and a full format, afaik, is the addition of a checkdisk in the latter case.Probably full format does that as well to mark bad sectors, but the main point is that a full format writes zeros to all sectors. After full format any data on the card is gone forever & it takes about 5 minutes or so depending on size. If you use the 'normal' format (on PC or in camera) the pictures are still there - just made invisible by removing from the FAT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share #66 Posted August 6, 2009 Maurizio, I know you come from the IT world... and, as you, I believe the problem comes from how the M8 firmware writes the MBR table. I guessed also our M8s may use different on-board card readers or with different firmware or drivers. This could also explain the fact all cameras doesn't behave the same. Yep, I ended up with almost the same conclusion in my mind. I'm glad I'm not the only one. As you did, when I want to create a new MBR table on, I format the card using another file system, NTFS, and once more using FAT. But being a Windows and Unix user, I love command line commands... In Windows you can use DISKPART which is more powerful: you can even create more than one partition with different file systems in a single card. Thank you for the hint! I have reminisce of the past and now that you mentioned Diskpart... Well, as I said in my previous message, I'm glad you sort it out and your M8 is working like a charm now. As an engineer I like to understand what's the problem. The latins called that "curiositas"... proper of the smart men! I also have a Mac at home, but I hate putting on it any removable media (even hard drives) I use on Windows because the hidden files and folders that Mac creates every time you instert media or connect a hard drive, irritates me. I hate that too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share #67 Posted August 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, keep it till next month then :D... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted August 6, 2009 Share #68 Posted August 6, 2009 I need a wife first! Maurizio, Do you know the difference between a princess and a witch? Three years of marriage! (even the M8 is less troublesome) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share #69 Posted August 6, 2009 Maurizio, Do you know the difference between a princess and a witch? Three years of marriage! (even the M8 is less troublesome) ahahaha... Oh my! ...actually my M8 was going to be 3years old.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted August 6, 2009 Share #70 Posted August 6, 2009 Use the Dlux4 as bait What a shame, I already have a D-Lux4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 6, 2009 Share #71 Posted August 6, 2009 What a shame, I already have a D-Lux4. You don't know what Maurizio looks like (in fact neither do I), maybe he should keep the the d-lux for himself and use his M8 as bait:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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