ho_co Posted November 11, 2006 Share #61 Posted November 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I second Alan Shearer's note above to Solms: "Thank you. We are all hoping the fix is simple and at no cost." But I'd like to clarify: We hope for Leica's sake the fix is simple and relatively inexpensive. From our own side, we strongly feel that the fix should be a no-charge item for the purchaser. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 11, 2006 Posted November 11, 2006 Hi ho_co, Take a look here Leica: Message to the customers of the LEICA M8 . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ho_co Posted November 11, 2006 Share #62 Posted November 11, 2006 Thomas Campbell-- Your post http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/9055-leica-message-customers-leica-m8-3.html#post90162 is excellent. I say thanks for the unemotional and historical entry. You are correct; Leica has made great progress since the R4. Thanks for reminding us! Today they admit the M8's issues and are at work on the fix. Great promise! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 11, 2006 Share #63 Posted November 11, 2006 Now that I feel (sort of) relaxed about my M8 order, I am going to take my classic M6 for a walk with a roll of B/W film and my dog, Merlin. What a great day it is. Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted November 11, 2006 Share #64 Posted November 11, 2006 Vielen Dank, Stefan. It is comforting to hear Leica attempt to assuage all the purple hissy-fits sounding around the world. Please keep us apprised of Leica's progress in the upcoming weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suse Posted November 11, 2006 Share #65 Posted November 11, 2006 Vielen Dank, Stefan. It is comforting to hear Leica attempt to assuage all the purple hissy-fits sounding around the world. Please keep us apprised of Leica's progress in the upcoming weeks. Purple hissy-fits? That has to be one of the worst types of passive aggression labelling I've seen recently. People have every right to talk and openly discuss these issues. Thankfully most people I've read stick to serious, informative discussions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 11, 2006 Share #66 Posted November 11, 2006 Suse, I think your 'passive aggression' comment is a great oxymoron! I suspect you misinterpreted the writers intent. "Purple hissy-fits', to me is a great expression and probably accurately describes what has been generally going on. I don't believe the writer was intending any disrespect, just using colourful language which, in my native land, is generally admired for its 'freeness'. Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted November 11, 2006 Share #67 Posted November 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where are the good shots being taken by the lucky ones with M8s already in their hands? Let's see them. Thanks. And thankyou Stefan for your message. There is always risk in pushing the limits, in taking human capability to a place it hasn't been before. It's only through taking these risks and working through the problems along the way that progress is possible. Let's give Leica the opportunity and the time to work this through. In the meantime, let's see those problem free shots. Regards, Rick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suse Posted November 11, 2006 Share #68 Posted November 11, 2006 Suse, I think your 'passive aggression' comment is a great oxymoron! I suspect you misinterpreted the writers intent. "Purple hissy-fits', to me is a great expression and probably accurately describes what has been generally going on. I don't believe the writer was intending any disrespect, just using colourful language which, in my native land, is generally admired for its 'freeness'. Cheers, Erl Passive aggression - it's actually a well-known phrase in psychiatry. Where people belittle someone's concerns by these kind of 'dismissive' labels. Quite frankly, I don't see how genuine technological concerns and discussion need to be labeled in these kind of ways. I see a lot of well-educated and knowledgable people giving their time here to help correct something which shouldn't have happened. There's a wealth of difference between dismissive labels and free-speech. I, for one, am grateful for the great efforts of people on here to discuss and help correct people's concerns. To call that a '"purple hissy-fit" is utterly inappropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted November 11, 2006 Share #69 Posted November 11, 2006 >>Come on, it's not all that "black" and I'm sure leica will fix i In fact its not black at all Haven't u heard or read the latest fashion magazines? Magenta is the new black! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted November 11, 2006 Share #70 Posted November 11, 2006 Purple hissy fits!!!!!!!!!! Obviously you don't own one of the DEFECTIVE cameras at this time. I am afraid to take it on a shoot where I have to have the shots, like tomorrow. It is impossible to control what is going to have the IR issue in the shots even in daylight. At this point the camera is just an interesting TOY which is waiting to see how Leica handles the fix from a customer service standpoint, prior to my decision on whether they get it returned for a refund or not. You don't see a lot of good shots being posted, because virtually no one has even a temporary partial solution of IR block filters in hand, so that they can count on the camera producing something useable. Ray P.S.: This is not a rant, it is just stating the fact that I CAN'T rely on the camera yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar7 Posted November 11, 2006 Share #71 Posted November 11, 2006 Kevin Mendenhall on another forum submitted this link to a selection of Costa Manos's photos on the Magnum site, some of which were taken with the M8. While the IR issue can be a major bother to some people, others may find it to be much less of an concern. Magnum Photos - American Color Click on the "M8" link to the right for a short video where he talks about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Brittenson Posted November 11, 2006 Share #72 Posted November 11, 2006 Wow, this was really quick, and I must say it all rubs me the right way. I think this is a good example of what makes Leica such a stand-out in the business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted November 11, 2006 Share #73 Posted November 11, 2006 Kevin Mendenhall on another forum submitted this link to a selection of Costa Manos's photos on the Magnum site, some of which were taken with the M8. While the IR issue can be a major bother to some people, others may find it to be much less of an concern. Magnum Photos - American Color Click on the "M8" link to the right for a short video where he talks about it. Kevin in a ll honesty .. i can work with the camera as is and do .. in B&W or color .. because in my personal photography it is not "true" colors that i am perse after. The work of Manos and many others falls in the same category: it really does not matter much for art-photography or even reportage. For streetshooting neither .. because i do not care if mr or mrs anonymys in the back- or foreground wore a black or purple shirt at the day of the shoot .. as long as the picture is pleasing or has some impact BUT we have to accept mileage varries .... so i can understand somebody doing weddings, classical concerts, fashionshows or any other application where "true colors" are mandatory think the M8 is impossible to rely on at the moment and are pissed off What is a mistake is that a lot of people who use the M8 for personal photography only focus on the issues and try to reproduce them in tests and do not even get to using and enjoying the M8 in "their own" normal shooting situations to get an idea of the number of images they would realy loose in a shoot because of the reported issues: well i lost none the last couple of days .. ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 11, 2006 Share #74 Posted November 11, 2006 Gee .. wiz, Han ... so I've already worked 40 straight hours and you guys are still hanging around beating the dead horses? While I fundamentally agree with you and perfectly understand the message you're trying to convey ... however, Marc's little experiment effortlessly demonstrated the issues under "their own" normal shooting situations. Sorry ... I really need some sleep now, I'll check in later and find out what Leica really has to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted November 11, 2006 Share #75 Posted November 11, 2006 Passive aggression - it's actually a well-known phrase in psychiatry. Where people belittle someone's concerns by these kind of 'dismissive' labels. Quite frankly, I don't see how genuine technological concerns and discussion need to be labeled in these kind of ways. I see a lot of well-educated and knowledgable people giving their time here to help correct something which shouldn't have happened. There's a wealth of difference between dismissive labels and free-speech. I, for one, am grateful for the great efforts of people on here to discuss and help correct people's concerns. To call that a '"purple hissy-fit" is utterly inappropriate. Suse, I think you may have missed the context of the comments. The purple hissy fits, as I read it, refers not to the serious discussions on fixes, but rather on the outpourings of either distraught M8 owners, or would be owners. ie. an expression of extreme dissapointment with the situation, with which I concur. But then I am not a psychologist and read things only as they appear to be. I suspect we agree to disagree somewhere or other. Cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayrin Posted November 11, 2006 Share #76 Posted November 11, 2006 Think positive, make negatives ! After all, we all know film is where it's at... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llc Posted November 11, 2006 Share #77 Posted November 11, 2006 I've written up an article on the magenta/purple color rendition issue, comparing the Leica M8, the Nikon D200, and a Canon EOS 5D-IR (infrared): Infrared Contamination Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted November 12, 2006 Share #78 Posted November 12, 2006 I've written up an article on the magenta/purple color rendition issue, comparing the Leica M8, the Nikon D200, and a Canon EOS 5D-IR (infrared): Infrared Contamination May I suggest a separate thread and sticky not open to comment, for rational documented and informative posts about the problem such as this and those from Sean and Guy. It saves a lot of time wandering through too many pages emotional out pourings valid as thos e are to the dissapointed owners. Cheers Pierre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted November 12, 2006 Share #79 Posted November 12, 2006 May I suggest a separate thread and sticky not open to comment, for rational documented and informative posts about the problem such as this and those from Sean and Guy. It saves a lot of time wandering through too many pages emotional out pourings valid as thos e are to the dissapointed owners. Cheers Pierre Pierre, if we could tell with 20/20 foresight what is "rational" and 'informative" we would. Who would have thought it either rational or informative if one of us had posted ten days ago that the newest Leica would move the company within days of its release to pronounce its performance "un-Leica-like"? I dare say we would have labeled that individual a "crackpot" or "spoilsport" before we found out the truth. Until then, if you let me or Franklin or Andy know of any problem posts, we'll take care of the problem. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted November 12, 2006 Share #80 Posted November 12, 2006 Thanks, ...good news! I plan to buy the M8 next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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