scaryink Posted June 24, 2009 Share #1 Posted June 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone know of any forums where there are active discussions about the craft of photography using the M8 as a tool? Perhaps detailed discussions with the photographer describing their methodology etc, how they get the most out of their rf? What are the strengths they play to and weakness they contain? This Leica sponsored forum appears to be mostly focused on buying things, or the consideration of buying things. There is apug which is full of highly skilled people but the M8 is specifically excluded. There is the rf forum but I dont see many meaningful discussions that occur in that neighborhood. Blogs related to the craft of shooting with kit would be great. Im a Reid subscriber which is a fine resource for questions about purchasing things but thats not what Im looking for. Thank you George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 Hi scaryink, Take a look here Master photographers using the M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
garyp Posted June 24, 2009 Share #2 Posted June 24, 2009 These guys seem to enjoy their M8s Leica (M and R) - The GetDPI Workshop Forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted June 24, 2009 Share #3 Posted June 24, 2009 What are you looking for exactly? There are a lot of threads here and in the picture forum on using the M8 and rangefinders artistically... Try using Google to find stuff out... here's a query on using the M8 for black and white. Just got to Google and paste the whole string into the Google search box: bw m8 site:http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/ Note that the "site" option limits Google's results to the M8 forum You can do the same for any sub-forum here! You just need to think of an area of artistic expression you're interesting in... like these ones: rangefinder composition site:http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/ large prints site:http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 24, 2009 Share #4 Posted June 24, 2009 This forum is not Leica-sponsored or funded in any way. If you want more discussion on techniques or aesthetics it is up to you to start them, Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 24, 2009 Share #5 Posted June 24, 2009 They write books and sell them. To me photography is more of a feel then a learning. Yes you can learn how a camera works and how one or many different photographer set themselves up to get a certain shot by reading there books but that may not make you as good as they are. Just go out and take a lot of photos. Look at them and think about what you could do better with each shot. And buy some books on photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted June 24, 2009 Share #6 Posted June 24, 2009 What do you find lacking on this site? Excellent discussions, photographs and photgraphers. I learn from here everyday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2009 Share #7 Posted June 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I fear you're stuck with us. Many of us post on other forums like RFF, GetDPI, FMForums, LFI Galleries,Luminous Landscape,even DPReview and P-net;) So there is no getting away... Btw, Leica camera AG has no influence on this forum at all, it is private. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 24, 2009 Share #8 Posted June 24, 2009 Does anyone know of any forums where there are active discussions about the craft of photography using the M8 as a tool? Perhaps detailed discussions with the photographer describing their methodology etc, how they get the most out of their rf? What are the strengths they play to and weakness they contain? This Leica sponsored forum appears to be mostly focused on buying things, or the consideration of buying things. There is apug which is full of highly skilled people but the M8 is specifically excluded. There is the rf forum but I dont see many meaningful discussions that occur in that neighborhood. Blogs related to the craft of shooting with kit would be great. Im a Reid subscriber which is a fine resource for questions about purchasing things but thats not what Im looking for. Thank you George This post is of special interest to me because I actually care much more about photography than about equipment - not just photography with the M8 but all photography. Since you're already subscribed, take a look at the essays - including the recent one about Daytona Beach which was all shot with the M8. The essays are actually my favorite part of the site and they're not about equipment per se but about photography itself. FWIW, I'd recommend reading all of them. Why not...since you've already paid for the content on the site? See what you think. You may find that the most interesting parts of the site include articles you've never read. The essays are all linked from the table of contents page. Maybe try the article about flash first. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willy Eckerslyke Posted June 24, 2009 Share #9 Posted June 24, 2009 I'm pretty new here- actually very new, (although I've been around the photographic block a few times) so maybe my opinion is not in tune with this quirky M8 thing but why would a pay to view website have more to offer than this wonderful free-issue one? Also, I'm curious about why anyone would care what equipment a "master photgrapher" would use. If I enjoy a meal from a Michelin 3 star chef, by going out the next day to buy the same oven he uses will not necessarily enable me to cook the same meal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 24, 2009 Share #10 Posted June 24, 2009 I'm pretty new here- actually very new, (although I've been around the photographic block a few times) so maybe my opinion is not in tune with this quirky M8 thing but why would a pay to view website have more to offer than this wonderful free-issue one? Also, I'm curious about why anyone would care what equipment a "master photgrapher" would use. If I enjoy a meal from a Michelin 3 star chef, by going out the next day to buy the same oven he uses will not necessarily enable me to cook the same meal. I won't be the one to touch that first question. As to the latter question, this may be of interest: Luminous landscape Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted June 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted June 24, 2009 If I enjoy a meal from a Michelin 3 star chef, by going out the next day to buy the same oven he uses will not necessarily enable me to cook the same meal. No, but if you already bought the same oven (and pots and knives), then you might be curious to learn more about how the master actually puts them to use in his/her work. If you've already bought the photo gear, then you've made a significant financial and psychological investment. I think it's fair to want to see how it's used by those who really know how to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2009 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2009 And having the same oven might indicate that you aspire to cooking great meals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 24, 2009 Share #13 Posted June 24, 2009 Does anyone know of any forums where there are active discussions about the craft of photography using the M8 as a tool? Perhaps detailed discussions with the photographer describing their methodology etc, how they get the most out of their rf? What are the strengths they play to and weakness they contain? This Leica sponsored forum appears to be mostly focused on buying things, or the consideration of buying things. There is apug which is full of highly skilled people but the M8 is specifically excluded. There is the rf forum but I dont see many meaningful discussions that occur in that neighborhood. Blogs related to the craft of shooting with kit would be great. Im a Reid subscriber which is a fine resource for questions about purchasing things but thats not what Im looking for. Thank you George Master photographers like who? (as you say they must use an M8 so you are limiting your range of talent by defining the photographer by the particular camera he or she chooses to use). This forum is equipment centric? Yet you seek only input from photographers who use an M8? (there are many excellent photographers who use the M8, and post images on this website, as well as those who use film M's or LTM's - which are basically the same in the use, i.e. rangefinders). I think you need to reconsider. Start a thread on the subject of interest to you instead of moaning that this site doesn't cater for your needs. Post some of your own images for critical feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted June 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2009 There are plenty of M8 head cooks and master chefs in this forum - just start the thread... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted June 24, 2009 Share #15 Posted June 24, 2009 Since you're already subscribed, take a look at the essays - including the recent one about Daytona Beach which was all shot with the M8. The essays are actually my favorite part of the site and they're not about equipment per se but about photography itself. Cheers, They are my favourite parts too Sean! Keep them coming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted June 24, 2009 They are my favourite parts too Sean! Keep them coming Thank you kindly. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted June 24, 2009 Share #17 Posted June 24, 2009 Artists often work by intuition and have a difficult time communicating in written language. Their opinions can be very subtle...they make complex associations that often sound disconnected and even crazy to the average hobbyist surfer. Forums are...by their very nature....too democratic to carry anything more than a superficial conversation with a true master of anything. If a person really wants to learn from a master then he should find a way to make a personal (not a public) relationship with the photographer. There is also the cliche that "anything worth knowing cannot be taught" I'm confident that there will NEVER be a forum filled with conversations with masters. However, I'm equally confident that some amazing and famous photographers are surfing the forums and just keeping a low profile....who knows? Maybe some of them are reading and/or writing in this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 25, 2009 Share #18 Posted June 25, 2009 This post is of special interest to me because I actually care much more about photography than about equipment - not just photography with the M8 but all photography. Since you're already subscribed, take a look at the essays - including the recent one about Daytona Beach which was all shot with the M8. The essays are actually my favorite part of the site and they're not about equipment per se but about photography itself. FWIW, I'd recommend reading all of them. Why not...since you've already paid for the content on the site? See what you think. You may find that the most interesting parts of the site include articles you've never read. The essays are all linked from the table of contents page. Maybe try the article about flash first. Cheers, Sean's essays alone are worth the price of admission to his site. And, I told him that the first day after suscribing. The reviews are the bonus...and they, too, are written from a photographer's perspective...not just technical reviews. I have no association with Sean, nor did I know about him before joining this forum...but I'm sure glad I did. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share #19 Posted June 25, 2009 Artists often work by intuition and have a difficult time communicating in written language. Their opinions can be very subtle...they make complex associations that often sound disconnected and even crazy to the average here is also the cliche that "anything worth knowing cannot be taught" I'm confident that there will NEVER be a forum filled with conversations with masters. However, I'm equally confident that some amazing and famous photographers are surfing the forums and just keeping a low profile....who knows? Maybe some of them are reading and/or writing in this thread There is a magazine that is written by artists on artists its called Bomb out of NYC. Every form of art is included. Let me assure you that it is not some dumb down interviews, but many times quite detailed. Some of it you may think bs, some of it on point. I am finding that using a rangefinder is significantly different than a dslr (mf or 35), and of course far different from LF. There is some context that is different from the other means of capturing photographic images. Its fascinating really. I notice that I can pick out range finder images from dslr from the same focal length and aperture. Why is that? Film and digital RF images have more in common than digital RF and DSLR's, why is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 25, 2009 Share #20 Posted June 25, 2009 I notice that I can pick out range finder images from dslr from the same focal length and aperture. Why is that? I can't speak for what you are seeing but the visual structure of a picture made with an RF camera *can* be different because the photographer is seeing everything in the frame (near and far) clearly at once. He or she is also seeing the area surrounding the frame lines so his or her decisions about the edges can be different. Not everyone makes use of this visual information but when one does, it can inform the composition, timing, vantage point, etc. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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